● "Show line/Working line German shepherd"
What about them?
That was supposed to be your main question, but it doesn't ASK us anything.
Your only QUESTION is down at "Would you get one?", to which my answer is an emphatic "It depends"...
· Do you count this bỉtch: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2204497 as from "working lines"? Or this dog: http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/boundary.htm ? Or this dog: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=450116 ? Or: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=433761 ? Or http://igdogs.org/admissions/ ?
· What do YOU count as "Show line"? - I dismiss almost all AKC/GSDCAmerica winners, because they are unworthy to be called GSDs for one or more reasons.
● "I promised my self once I would never get a show line GSD, but look what is going on"
WHY did you? Reasons are important.
And WHAT is "going on"? Be clear - don't assume that we know only what you think you know.
● "I am SO worried about hip problems though..."
Really? And WHAT have you done to ensure that you need have no fears on those grounds?
I'm unaware of HD in my stock since the 1983 "surprise!" litter where Ciwa sneakily taught her son the "facts of life" and was 6 weeks pregnant before I realised that she'd been mated, giving 3:2 in-breeding on a very good bỉtch whose hips were NOT what I would have line-bred on inside 4 or 5 generations. Unfortunately for the one pup that was afflicted, her owners kept her obese.
You appear to have done no worthwhile STUDY. Instead, you are lazily relying on the misinformation from the Y!A kids, such as your:
◘ (asked 2 days before this one)
"Is it true if a puppy has small paws, it will be small?" "I am going to look a male GSD puppies tomorrow, and one of them has small, tiny paws. The other male is bigger with monster paws(who is also the oldest) The dad looks huge and the mom looks medium...."
Don't rely on "looks" - get MEASUREMENTS. But if he looks huge he is unfit to be called a GSD. Learn the INTERNATIONAL Standard of the GSD: http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166g01-en-sv.doc (used almost everywhere except Britain, Canada, NZ, the USA), and ignore the wishy-washy things NAmericans invented as pretend "standards".
◘ (3 days ago)
"WORKING LINE German shepherd dog breeders?" "Hi, we're in search of reputable working line German shepherd dog breeders around the U.S and Canada. It can ONLY be working line, and they must have a litter ready to go now. I know I can easi..."
Such PATIENCE - "must have...NOW"!
And your demand for "Breeding rights" shows that your "not for breeding" statements in other questions were lies.
Kon (whose answer you rightly chose from a typically poor selection) is one of the few in Y!A Dogs that I respect, although BSDs are his first love. But from the "American show line/Working line" mix you list next, you must have ignored both kennels he recommended.
If you mix a goat with a sheep, you get neither goat nor a sheep - you get a geep or a shoat.
◘ (1 day ago)
"GETTING MALE GSD PUPPY- NAMES?" "I'm getting a black sable male GSD puppy 2015 late winter/early spring time, shipped from America to me. I'm getting from a good breeder so don't worry! But I need good names. Maybe som..."
Such awareness & initiative - you need ADVICE on choosing a name for a pup that hasn't even been BORN yet! I've never had trouble settling on a name. I prepare lists of very-acceptable names for my puppy-seekers (but accept good ones they come up with) based on the letter I want the litter to have in common, from their ancestors whose names started with that letter. But you don't even know what LETTER to think about! It would be interesting to see the web-site of the "good breeder" you have selected....
● "I've read good reviews on the breeder"
Where? In their own web-site???
Have you actually MET aND TALKED WITH any owners of GSDs that came from their kennel?
● "The father starred as the German shepherd in Kickass 2"
A German shepherd is a PERSON! (So is a Welsh shepherdess.)
The canine breed's real name translates as German Shepherd Dog.
● "Would you get one? I'm kinda worried but.. I heard lots of problems with the show line GSDs... :( But I cannot find Working line GSDS ANYWHEREE near me. I looked. Seriously."
You CAN'T be serious!
·· Obviously you haven't a CLUE as to how to identify GSDs that actually WORK ("sport dogs" don't actually work - but they get lots of qualifications, and those qualifications indicate which of the breed's attitudes & capacities they retain). So you've never heard of (1) the GSSCCanada, (2) the USCAmerica, (3) the Working Dog Association (such a HARD name to think of then search for!) section of the GSDCAmerica.
I'm on the southern side of the Tasman Sea, half a world away from you, but I know of them, and have placed their contact addresses in my GSD reference group for you to find.
· Problems that are GENETIC are in ALL lines of the breed, because there is only ONE GSD breed - but there are MANY deviations registered as GSDs: AlsatiOns, Banana-Backs, German Crouchers, NAmerican Ski-Slope Dogs, "Panda" Shepherds, Prick-Eared Bassets, Teeth-on-Feet, Titanic Tail-Tuckers. and just-plain-crap. The genetic problems in each of them are the result of careless choices made by their fans.
● "working lines are 101% real. The German lines are just the standard in Germany for the SV and Sieger"
YOU are UNreal!
#1: Learn some arithmetic - a thing can't be 101% of itself.
#2: Learn that a STANDARD is a BLUEPRINT. For a specific type of airliner, building, car, gun, ship, whatever, there can be only ONE set of blueprints. Everything of THAT type must be EXACTLY (within very narrow parameters) exactly the same as everything else of that type - no bigger (or smaller) or extra (or missing) wheels or wings, whatever.
And so, although a BSD and a GSD are different in important ways, if a fancier can't tell whether THAT pooch is a BSD or a GSD (or maybe a DSD x Irish Wolfhound), it is unworthy to be either breed. I'm not impressed by some of the pooches German judges have chosen to promote at the BSZS (if you're ignorant-enough to need to be told: That is the BundesSiegerZuchtSchau at which the Siegers, VAs, spitzen-Vs, etc get tested, evaluated, graded & ranked. For the Adult Classes, they must, on Day 1, publicly pass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIfqOwXXx98 or they are not allowed back for the remaining 2 days), each such pooch MUST closely match all aspects of THE Standard - agility, angulations, attitude, colouration, dentition, courage, dentition, endurance, gait, proportions, size, trainability.
Have you learned what the 'a'-stamp, AD, 'e'-stamp, FH, HGH, IPO/SchH, KKl are? Apart from FH (and a choice between HGH and IPO/SchH) they are ALL required before a GSD can even be ENTERED at a BSZS. The BSZS aka SiegerSchau is NOT like an AKC or CKC show where ANYTHING that has registration (because its parents had registration, because THEIR parents had registration, because THEIR....) can be entered and - if the egotistical judge "likes" something about them, can get points towards a Ch. title.... Look at the 5 DQs in the CKC Standard, and ask yourself how much they hinder a GSD from performing its tasks. Then look at the INTERNATIONAL Standard's DQs, and think about them.
BTW - The International Standard's clauses & DQs & LIMITS were approved at conferences of the WUSV (World Union of GSD Clubs) with delegates from about 77 GSD nations voting.
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King Les The Lofty - first pup in 1950; GSD breeder & trainer as of 1968