Question:
Teach My dog to scare people away on my command?
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2010-09-16 14:59:34 UTC
I plan on getting a female border collie soon, and i live in an area that i need some protection i guess you could say. And I want to have her bark, growl and show her teeth on my command. But not to litterly attack. And i also need a way to tell her when she can stop. And yes i know, if i want an aggressive dog i should get a pit bull or something, but i want a border collie. So Please someone help me out.
Seventeen answers:
☆ Memphis Belle ☆
2010-09-16 15:20:35 UTC
You cannot have the appearance of a Border collie, with the heart, mind & drives of a guardian breed underneath.



The Border Collie was created to herd, so the temperament & characteristics required to do that type of work were selectively bred into the breed - guardian breeds such as the Dobermann was created to be bold, alert, firm of character, high drive, work-driven, warrior dog.



A professionally trained personal protection dog would work under the control of its handler & be deployed to get whatever job that was required to its done or on its own initiative, & respond to threats in the way it has been trained.



Yes, it may be possible to teach a Border Collie to bark/hush on command, but in would inadvisable to do it yourself train it to exhibit aggressive behavior - you may unintentionally train her to be fearful of strangers.



In a nutshell you need to have realistic expectations from the breed you decide to buy & what you can achieve with it.
Erica - }x{R.I.P. Baby Butterfly}x{
2010-09-16 15:04:14 UTC
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up a sec: Pit bulls, are NOT human aggressive. Well bred, well owned, and properly trained/handled American Pit Bull Terriers are one of the LEAST human aggressive dogs around, and they make TERRIBLE guard/personal protection dogs. Period.



Secondly, DOGS ARE NOT SECURITY SYSTEMS. The BC is a high strung breed as it, training it to "scare people away" on command, etc... is a law suit waiting to happen. They also were NOT bred to be guard dogs, they are HERDING dogs, plain and simple. Unless you plan to spend the thousands it can take for professional personal protection classes, you're going to create a time bomb more or less. You need protection, get a can of pepper spray and a tazor and call ADT. Don't pass your insecurities off onto a dog by training to "scare people away" on command, which is an attack waiting to happen.



ETA: Wanted to add this, as the first person said, you'll also need the RIGHT dog. If the dog, the genetics behind the dog, etc... don't have guarding in them, they will NOT make a good guard dog, and even training them this way, will do little to no good. Genetics play a HUGE roll on this. Even some of the BEST guarding breeds have individual dogs that are horrible guard/protection dogs. So unless you plan to find a dog bred specifically for protection work, and then still end up paying the thousands of dollars it costs for a professional personal protection class, you're asking for something to go horribly wrong.



ETA 2:

1.) A dog can be shot, and then you're screwed

2.) When you go practice soccer? So then that? Leave the dog tied to a random tree? And what happens if some random person comes by, while you're practicing, sees the dog, and thinks it'd be a great idea to take it home?

3.) Again, dogs are NOT security systems! Training them this way can very well make them leery of any and ALL strangers, and if they aren't controlled well enough, they could very well take matters into their own hands and become aggressive towards anyone and anything that's not you. Creating a protection dog, in a DIY manner, (especially with a dog that wasn't even remotely BRED for this type of work) is basically going to lead to the equivalent of slapping yourself in the face with a handful of Napalm.
HadesTheDobe
2010-09-17 09:52:21 UTC
Actually, if you want an aggressive dog, a Pit Bull is a terrible choice because they are not breed to be human aggressive. Take my American Staffordshire Terrier (aka American Pit Bull Terrier) for instance. If someone were to break into my house, she would like them and wag her tail. She is the worst guard dog ever. On the other hand, I have a Doberman who I have never trained to be aggressive but if a stranger were to break into my house, he would tear them apart. He doesn't allow anyone to come into the house that he doesn't know without being invited in. Literally, he has cornered a friend of mine for walking in the back door without knocking. He didn't attack but he did show his teeth, start barking and wouldn't let him come any further into the house then the door way.



If you are looking for a dog that will protect you and deter potential offenders from harming you, then I would recommend something like a Doberman. A Border Collie won't stop anyone, they are complete whimps and everyone knows it. Even a Pit Bull won't stop most people because the people that would actually do something to you probably know that Pit Bulls are not human aggressive. Doberman's on the other hand are extremely loyal, extemely intelligent, great guard dogs and their physical appearance is just flat out scary.
?
2010-09-16 15:08:36 UTC
Invest in pepper spray.



Set up an in-home security system.



Buy yourself a Makarov 9mm gun.



Target practice at a shooting range daily, as the Makarov can pinch the skin between your thumb and forefinger if held incorrectly. This is exceedingly annoying.



Take a concealed weapons permit class in your area so you know what constitutes justifiable homicide in your jursidiction and what will get you fried in the chair, self defense or not.



A dog, even a trained protection dog, is not something you want to bet your safety on. Police dogs have been known to lapse in training and fail to obey commands. I saw one on youtube that just tried to get the guy he was pursuing to play with him!



Border collies are not guard dogs, let alone protection dogs. Get a dog to bark, as any medium to large sized barking dog is usually a sufficient deterrent. However, if you feel your personal safety may truly be at risk, get a more reliable protection system in place.



[Add] The American Pit Bull Terrier and subsequent deviating breeds were never allowed or bred to show human aggression. Back in the day REAL dog fighters killed such dogs, as these dogs had to be safe to handle, fights were broken up by hand if they got rough, and a dog had to be safe to treat despite potentially serious injury and pain. Also note that "pit bull" refers to three distinct breeds, their mixes, and any dog that bears a notable resemblance to the breed. Many media reporters will also automatically label a dog attack as a pit bull or display a picture of a pit bull regardless of the breed, even when the breed has been identified as something other than a pit bull terrier. Food for thought.
anonymous
2010-09-16 15:17:08 UTC
A minor, first of all, cannot purchase/adopt a dog. You are not old enough to own a Border Collie. A Border Collie needs to work sheep, and in order to do that, you need to leave the dog with a professional sheepdog trainer, for in house training, for 3-4 months, at a cost of $500.00 a month. After that, you need to take lessons with the dog, 2-3 days a week, at approximately $50.00 an hour.



It is up to your parents to provide protection for your home. A dog can be shot. They need to get a security system.
☆☆ Dizzy Shortman ☆☆
2010-09-16 16:00:36 UTC
"And yes i know, if i want an aggressive dog i should get a pit bull or something.."



Absolutely not. First off, a well bred,well trained and well socialized APBT is NOT human aggressive.



Second off, BC's are herding dogs and need a job to do ! These dogs are simply not content with a 30 minute walk around the block !! If that's your plan, the dog will simply become destructive.



Thirdly, do you even have permission to own a dog ? Judging by the fact that you mentioned your parents, you are still a minor, and if they don't want a dog, thats it..
Jess
2010-09-16 15:11:53 UTC
Border Collies are no guarding dogs. They are herding dogs. Pit bulls are not human aggressive. if you want a guard dog I recommend a doberman, Rottweiler, or german shepard and some training classes. To tell you the truth, The best way to keep safe is to cary around a tazer or pocket knife not a dog.
anonymous
2016-03-17 10:56:53 UTC
Put a large floodlight in areas where people are likely to enter your property. Set them on motion sensors so that they will go on when anyone goes into the area. Your dog barking usually will scare off potential invaders, but you don't want to teach him to attack anyone who comes near the house. It could be a neighbor, or the mailman, etc. Remember that you are liable for any injury your dog causes on or off your property regardless of whether or not the person is trespassing. An alarm system will be much more effective and won't put your dog in danger either. Good luck! ___ Sorry if you don't want to hear about getting sensor lights, but its a much wiser alternative to teaching a dog to be aggressive. You are signing yourself up for some really bad consequences. Your dog could get shot and killed . Your dog could attack and kill/maim the intruder and you/ your family could get sued for all your worth. If your dog attacks someone, animal control will show up and seize your dog and will likely destroy him. Your dog should be your companion, not your weapon of choice. If I were you, I would really rethink this idea. The other options are safer and much more effective. Again, just my opinion but I think I am right. You are welcome to disagree but I don't think you are fully grasping the magnitude of your decision.
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2016-02-15 20:34:53 UTC
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After I started training my dog, he became very attached to me and loves to stay by side as long as he can. But just going to them won't help. You have to practice what they teach you outside of the class and you need to keep up with it at least every now and then after the class ends otherwise they'll just go back to previous habits. This course is a really good place to go for dog obedience classes. It get's your dog around other people and dogs to socialize while getting the training you need. As for electric collars, I would say to not get one. In my experience, they're only a negative effect on your dog. I mean of course you're going to need to correct your dog, but being positive and encouraging your dog works a lot faster and easier.



Every dog is different, so unless you have a german shepherd or a really smart dog, it might take a while to train her. You might get frustrated with her, but go easy. She's still a puppy and has a lot of energy. A backyard or somewhere to run will help her get rid of a lot of energy that might cause her to misbehave from boredom.
?
2010-09-16 15:11:41 UTC
When i saw this i laughed a little i wont lie!!

so you want to teach a dog to be aggressive towards other people (ok wait not actually be 'aggressive' you just want it to show aggressive traits so what people can ring the humane Society on ur **** and get ur dog taken off and possibly put down due to it being 'deemed' aggressive, and in actual fact if it was taken away from you it will more than likely get scared and actually be aggressive. Dont own a dog your not mature enough for one your just a little hood rat!! get a baseball bat and get yourself locked up it will do everyone a favourrrrrrr :)
Lelee
2010-09-16 15:24:32 UTC
She will be happy to bark and wag her tail and stop when asked. She may even growl at strangers but act menacing is not typical of the breed. They are more likely going to stare with a lowered head and herd any thing. A German Shepard or a Rottweiler might be a more convincing guard dog. Good Luck
*~ATL Braves Baby Girl~*
2010-09-16 15:09:40 UTC
"And yes i know, if i want an aggressive dog i should get a pit bull or something, but i want a border collie"



All I can say as I shake my head back and fourth in disgust is...





I DESPISE THE MEDIA!!!!!
Rayven ~ SCAdian girl
2010-09-16 15:02:44 UTC
Actually apbts and other "pit bulls" are NOT supposed to be human aggressive. Consider moving because for what you want you will need special training and you will need the RIGHT dog.
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2017-03-02 05:16:22 UTC
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?
2010-09-16 15:13:57 UTC
i would think at best you can teach her to speak and smile. they might look scary but actually have no menace behind them. there are many ways to teach these so google it ad pick the best one for you.



ps. "pit bulls" are great dogs with a bad rap because there are alot of bad owners who think its cool to have one. and please i really hope you are not just getting a dog to protect you because they do alot more than that!
Maxi
2010-09-16 15:05:37 UTC
Don't try to train this behaviour on your own as with a BC you will get more than you bargained for....dog training classes, NILIF from day one http://k9aro.webs.com/nilif.htm and professional protection training..........I have two very well trained working and competing BC and wouldn't use a BC for this and certainly not train one for anyone else to use like this.
?
2010-09-16 15:38:17 UTC
Immature little brat, a dog is not a security system!


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