Question:
Need Good ADVICE on breeding please??
anonymous
2008-07-14 23:02:47 UTC
Ok so, i really want to get this right, i have a black labrador aged 5 (full pedigree,gundog) she's from the u.k, and i currently live in australia WA with her. i work in the veterinary environment so i know some stuff but i really wanted to know as much as i can.
I have had her hips & elbows scored & they came back really good.

- i want to know any tips for before hand
- how to go about getting a stud (male)
- what should i do while she's pregnant i.e exercise regime...food?
- and just things that will really come in handy for me, because i am a bit of a worrying mum :D

Thanks guys x
Twenty answers:
Pilot ~ canine son!
2008-07-14 23:12:51 UTC
IF you have to ask, you shouldn't breed. Please leave this to the "qualified" professional breeders that work toward the bettering of the breed in genetics, temperment, and are screened for hips, eyes, heart........."and" more.



OH PLEEESE.......why breed more when hundreds, thousands, millions are dying in shelters, and craving to be held, loved, walked, and to have a comfy bed to sleep in at night instead of a cold cement floor. Don't do this :o(



Most of us here are true "dog lovers" and look for the safety and protection of all dogs. There are many unwanted dogs and puppies in shelters where the breeder didn't think of this beforehand. Sad.



You say "I just want one litter of cutie pie puppies".....hummm, all those puppies in shelters/pounds were once those cutie pie puppies. Please don't do it. Your puppy takers probably won't guarantee you that they won't want that same cute little puppy when he/she grows up and needs lots of training. Not to over the "possible health issues" your male/female may pass on. Sorry....but, I have to be honest with you.



NOTE*****"RED ROVER***** FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T FIGURE THE "TD'S" EITHER!!! There are some very uneducated people giving us thumbs down when we have educated, factual, and sound advice. It happens when the best and educated arent here to help us by posting well. I'm very bummed by some of the people that don't know diddily-squat, and feel the freedom to hit TB with a slick of the key. Sorry so many. :o(
Annie
2008-07-15 09:29:18 UTC
You sound like you're trying -- this is good.



Before you think I'm against breeding, I've bred show dogs for years. I'm not against breeding. I'm against people breeding who aren't doing it responsibly.



The problem is your personal dog has NO show or working titles. Just because relatives have titles, while good, does not mean YOUR dog has achieved anything of note.



I'd take her out and at least get her major pointed in a show or get a hunting title. Yes it can take a bit of time (a really good dog can finish in 3 days here....not that one I have ever has, but it's possible).



If you're out in the working and/or show world, guess what. You'll see plenty of good dogs with titles and clearances that are available at stud. You can pick the best of them, and if your dog is any good the stud dog owners will be interested in breeding to her. If they look at you like you are insane, take that as a big "NO" and rethink your plans.



I had a guy come up to me at a show and tell me he loved my dog (naturally, who wouldn't?) and had a great stud at home....and went on about how they never showed him but he was really good, etc. It was very obvious they hadn't a clue. I politely excused myself and told them thanks, but I don't use unknown and unproven dogs in any of my litters.



And remember, for as long as those pups live, YOU are responsible for ensuring they never are re-homed, in rescue or in a shelter. Are you financially stable enough to take one back at any point in their life? Even at an age where nobody else will ever want to adopt them and you're stuck? Think about it first, please.



Edited to add:



Whiteout, there are no "registered AKC breeders". You can register dogs. You can register a kennel name. You can be a registered handler. but in the AKC there are NO registered breeders. Other registries maybe, but not the AKC. Also there are no dogs at all listed in the OFA database with "whiteout" as any part of their name. While most of the advice you gave is good, I'm a bit concerned that I can't find any evidence of a "whiteout" prefix in Mals?
Joh
2008-07-15 06:20:46 UTC
The first thing to do is to buy a copy of Dog Breeding for Dummies!! Read up on genotypes and phenotypes - not every dog will suit your b*tch, and building your foundation stock. Start going to dog shows and check out the lines available, chat to exhibiters and breeders, find a mentor. It is important to do lots of research before you start. Make sure about the her age - Five seems a bit old for a maiden b*tch but check with lab breeders you trust about this.



I have a litter of Staffordshire Bull Terrier pups at the moment - this is our first totally raw fed litter so it was very exciting. We didn't really change her diet much - just increased the amounts. Roxy did seem to cut out some bone and eat more offal near the end of the pregnacy but this is very common as it keeps the stools softer. She delivered six healthy pups within two hours, all were wriggling towards the nipples while still in the sacks and they have grown like weeds since then. Roxy has gone from eating 400-500 grams per day to nearly 1.5kg so be prepared for that!!



We have made sure that she is getting plenty of bone - about 15% of total intake but have not used any artificial calcium. The only supplement we have ever used is fish oil.



We continued with short walks right up until she delivered and then started again about 3 or 4 days later. We had to force her outside to go to the toilet for the first three days but she soon realised it was ok to leave them for a few minutes.



good luck with your journey.



To the thumbs down brigade this litter of pups has been planned for some time - my dog was flown over 1200kms to be bred with the best match that we could find - all pups that are not kept by us or going to my mentor will be sold on limited registration with spey/neuter conditions. The litter was advertised before the pregnancy was even confirmed and all ALL new owners have been asked to complete an application.



** of course she is NOT a member of the 'American' KC - why would someone living in Australia, as the question clearly states, be???
anonymous
2008-07-15 06:23:50 UTC
First you need to find a mentor, contact registered breeders in your area and ask if they would be willing to mentor you in a breeding program. You are most likely going to be told not to breed your current pet. Reputable breeders are very selective on who they will allow their champion dogs to breed to. They will most likely encourage you to purchase a puppy to show, champion the dog, and then start your program. You are on the right track as far as screening your pets, it sounds as if health is of importance to you... should every breeder be so conscientious. If that is the case strive to be the best, show your pet. It ensures the animals being bred are meeting their standard, and educates you on the traits your breed should be exhibiting. In doing this you then know which puppies you produce are pet quality, breeder quality and show quality, by knowing this you breed only the best representations of your breed, therefore improving the breed as a whole. Your mentor can guide you through all aspects of breeding; breeding, birth, raising of babes, avenues for adopting of off spring, advice on pet contracts, showing, etc.. Good luck!



EDITED TO ADD; If you are only wanting to "do one litter", I would highly discourage you from doing this. This is one of the reasons pounds are over run with unwanted pets and that breeds have breed specific illnesses... back yard breeders who want to do a litter or two, or want to break even. The pups are sold without spay/neuter agreements, and the people you sell them to ignorantly perpetuate the madness by repeating the vicious cycle all over again. It gives good breeders a bad name. If you really love your beloved pet, do her a favor, as well as her breed, and spay her. I would have thought a vet tech would know better. If you do decide to do this selfish thing, please know you are risking your friend's health by breeding her (anything can happen, as you well know, breeders sometimes lose moms) and spay or neuter the pups before leaving your home so the cycle can end there.
anonymous
2008-07-15 10:45:34 UTC
to find a good reputable breeder contact you local canine association or lab club Im in vic so mine is the VCA victorian canine accosiation.your is the canine association of WA www.cawa.asn.au/

I have been breeding English Bull terriers for 10 years so I understand you wish to breed. dogs don't end up in shelters because of breeder they end up there because of stupid and inexperienced pet owners

You have done the right thing in getting your dog scored make sure The male you find is also.

exercise should be kept to a healthy average but don't stop it altogther as getting to fat can also be a problem. your dog should know when enough is enough.

Keep her calcium up during and after pregnancy I suggest milk bowls with egg mixed in for protine, and RAW chicken bones you can buy chicken necks and frames from your local deli or butcher. Good luck and don't listen to all the bleeding hearts!!!!!! most of them prob own pets they know nothing about
barrettjt
2008-07-15 06:18:36 UTC
Make sure your stud has an equal or better pedigree that you are given a copy of, also you want proof of his hip and elbow scores as well as a copy of his current vet records. Make sure you choose a dog that has a good square head and wide chest. I like to breed black with black, but a good lab is great in any color.

Good Luck
Meg
2008-07-15 08:27:07 UTC
Contact the Canine association of Western Australia



http://www.cawa.asn.au/



They can tell you what you need to do to become a registered breeder and put you in contact with other breeders in your area who can advise you on your choice of stud dog and other matters you need to know about.
Maria L
2008-07-15 06:18:11 UTC
ok your a Vet nurse you should know these answers



now if you don't,do a google search of your breed for mating,how to find a stud,make sure the stud is tested for everything,and STD's,yes dogs can get them also



people will attack you here,no matter what,if you wanted a certain breed,they would attack and tell you to go to a shelter and save a dog,menawhile they probly never stepped into a shelter





if you say your dog is half this,or half that,they they tell you ,you have a mutt,yet all the shelters are mostly mutts,the ones they want others to save but them

They will attack you saying your a killer,when I am sure you will take great pride in finding great home,

People here who answer rude or mean,have no life and need to vent



do a google search,you best bet,



Good Luck
anonymous
2008-07-15 06:23:59 UTC
my cocker spaniels are bred to a stud i found one on the web on freeads i walked them while they were pregnant for 1 mile a day and i had a big sort of indoor run for when she was about to give birth for the puppies make sure that other pets in your house cant get to her when she is about to or her pups are under a week



p.s dont listen to all those people against breeding if it makes you happy and you can find homes for them then do it
glamourjunkie
2008-07-15 06:16:41 UTC
EVERY breeder contributes to dog overpopulation and the millions killed in shelters every year. Many breeders can live with this because they are attempting to better the breed. But as a veterinary nurse, can you?
Red Rover
2008-07-15 06:22:59 UTC
Dogs over 4 should not be breeding.



You're not fit to breed.



And if you're aware of the current population, why aren't you helping it along by spaying your dog? Some vet nurse you are. :/ "One litter" doesn't mean you're not being a bad person. You're STILL contributing to pet overpopulation, there are overcrowded shelters all over the world.
toefu
2008-07-15 06:22:00 UTC
o.k....You've done your homework..."clapping"

She's 5 and never been bred, right ?

You've had her hips and elbows certified ?

BULLY for you !

You're a good Mom and God bless you for wishing to breed such a sound princess.. :-)



Do your homework...Research her pedegree...

Find that predominant gene that she takes after and find your stud ! Bless you for caring enough to better the breed !
Jessy
2008-07-15 06:06:26 UTC
Vaccinate, Vaccinate, Vaccinate and keep things clean. I recently lost a puppy of 4 days ( with me ) to Parvo and i certainly wish I had gone to a reliable breeder ( although I wouldn't give back my time with my pup )
Triniti
2008-07-15 06:06:54 UTC
Sorry I don't support off the cuff breeding. I am a foster mom and there are SOOOOOOO many dogs that need homes!
Sasha's Mom
2008-07-15 06:09:45 UTC
if ur a vet nurse, and supposed to love animals why be so willing to help kill so many???? yea i guess its ok 4 Every person that jsut breeds 1 time to do so, i mean thats not part of the problem now is it???? sorry but the truth hurts :P
V
2008-07-15 06:06:18 UTC
DON'T breed!!!! And since you are trying to get a breeding advice here that means you are not a pro breeder...you don't know what you are doing....if you want puppies go to a shelter and adopt a few.
krayzie_boo11
2008-07-15 06:09:06 UTC
i asked a breeding question a few hrs ago on yahoo. i havent had time to look but someone responded with these...maybe you will find your answers here??





http://www.learntobreed.com/

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/breeding.htm

http://www.learntobreed.com/experience.h...

http://www.learntobreed.com/questions.ht...

http://www.learntobreed.com/breedingreal...

http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/tr...





p.s i got the same response....ppl telling me not to breed her

:(
anonymous
2008-07-15 06:12:32 UTC
I think you should talk it over with your vet so you know exactly what to do.
BHfudbal99
2008-07-15 06:05:05 UTC
inhale through nose, exhale through mouth
Whiteout Alaskan Malamutes
2008-07-15 06:24:38 UTC
Are you a registered breeder with the AKC?



Labs are one of the most common breeds. If you were interested in breeding you firstly need to find out how good and true to the breed standard your ***** is. How many BOB (Best of Breeds) has she won in the showring? Has she won any CCs? Is she a holder of a working title?

That will give you an indication. Further more if you in that show environment you will have met plenty of good and successful breeders with fabulous dogs (good show and working results) and would not need us to point you into the right direction. A good breeder with excellent dogs would never even concider using one of her dogs to mate b#tch.

Only breed to enhance and maintain a high breed standard.



Do you know everything about your breed? If pups are born can you advise potential owners about training and raising a pup. Have you got experience if a new owner has difficulties integrating the pup into his exsisting pack (multible dogs at home). Have you got experience with dogs and b+tches living together and their behaviour to advise the new owner?



Have you got the facilities to take the dogs you have bred back (even when they are 4 yrs old) if the new owner is unalbe to cope or has a change in circumstance meaning they cannot loog after the dog any longer? The responsible breeder has the moran responsibility to take the animals he or she has bred back



Code of Ethics for breeders please read!!



CODE OF ETHICS

BREED STANDARD All breeding stock should closely follow the official Kennel Club Standard in all aspects, with particular attention being paid to temperament of the dogs. Dogs, which manifestly depart from the Breed Standard, are not suitable for breeding.

BREEDING PURPOSES All breeding should include the objective of improving the overall standard of Labrador. Equal weight should be given to type, temperament, health and soundness. Nervous or aggressive dogs are not satisfactory as breeding stock or pets.

REGISTRATION All dogs used for breeding should be registered with the Kennel Club and full details of their pedigree should be known.

PLANNING OF LITTERS No one should breed a litter unless he/she has the right facilities for dam and litter, and the time to devote proper care and attention to rearing the puppies and the well being of the dam. There should be some demand for the puppies before the bitches are mated.

BREEDING AGE Bitches should not be mated before her second birthday and not before the third season. They must whelp for the first time before their 6th birthday.

WELFARE OF THE ***** No ***** shall be bred to twice within a 12 month period. Bitches should not have litters on consecutive seasons. No ***** should have more than 4 litters and must not whelp after her 8th birthday unless KC permission is granted.

STUD DOGS Only entire dogs with two fully descended testicles should be used at stud and not before eighteen months of age. Members who own stud dogs should be aware of the need to improve the breed and enhance the reputation of the sires. They should refuse stud services to inferior specimens of the breed and to owners who have neither the time nor the facilities to rear litters.

PUPPY SALES Prospective buyers of puppies should be screened for suitability and ability to provide long term homes. They should be advised of the characteristics and problems of the breed. These include the need for grooming, exercise, family contact and the need to socialize as soon as possible, as the breed has a tendency to dislike other dogs.

PUPPY INFORMATION No puppy should leave the breeder before 8 weeks of age. Each purchaser of a Labrador puppy should be provided, at the time of sale, with an accurate pedigree, a Kennel Club transfer form and a registration certificate. He/she should also receive a diet sheet and information about training, worming and vaccination. Advice should be given about suitable books and membership of the breed club

PUPPY VARIATIONS No puppy, which has a physical defect or shows a clear departure from the Standard, should be sold without the buyer being made fully aware of the defect or departure from the Standard. Breeders should replace any puppy, which develops a defect to such a degree, that, on the advice of two independent veterinary surgeons, the puppy has to be put down, or they should refund the purchase price. The breeder is to be properly notified before any such action is taken. It is advisable for breeders to take out insurance cover on any puppy they breed, for the first six weeks in its new home.

UNWELCOME SALES No Labrador should knowingly be sold to laboratories, pet shops or dealers in dogs, or to persons known to sell puppies to any of the above. Owners of stud dogs should not provide stud services for such persons. No puppy should be sold or offered as a prize in any raffle or competition. No puppies should be sold to countries where anti-cruelty laws do not protect them, and/or where there are known social and ownership problems with dogs.

AFTER SALES It should be impressed on buyers, that they should contact the breeder in the event of problems with puppies. Breeders should make every effort to assist in these circumstances. Breeders should be prepared to take puppies back and rehome, if it becomes necessary. They should co-operate with the Breed Rescue.

HEREDITARY DEFECTS Breeders should not knowingly breed from any stock that has known and proven hereditary diseases. It is advised that all breeding stock be x-rayed for hip dysplasia and eyes tested after the age of twelve months for hereditary cataracts by a qualified veterinary surgeon. It is strongly advised that all x-ray plates are submitted to the B.V.A. for scoring, even if the hips are poor, so that a true picture of H.D. in the breed can be assessed.

ADVERTISING Advertisements for stock should always be honest, factual and without exaggeration or distortion.





Should I breed from my pet *****?





The decision to breed a litter should not be undertaken lightly & needs careful thought about all the responsibilities involved. The would-be breeder needs to ask themselves the following questions:



Can I afford the costs involved & do I have the time to rear a litter successfully? Breeding a litter & caring for Mum & her puppies is expensive and very time consuming. You have to have the funds available for the stud fee, eye testing fee, vet fees (these can be costly particularly if a caesarean section is needed), quality food for Mum & pups once weaned, set up equipment (eg whelping box, bedding, heating, puppy pen), Kennel Club registration fees etc. Bear in mind, if you have a small litter or incur high veterinary expenses, you may make a loss on your litter - breeding puppies is not an easy way to make money unless you cut corners or mass produce pups on a commercial scale as puppy farmers do. Sometimes, it may be necessary to keep puppies for longer than 8 weeks if the right homes are not forthcoming, so you need to be prepared for this & for the extra costs involved in feeding & vaccinating older pups.



If you can bear the financial costs, do you have the time available? Looking after a Mum with a newborn litter requires round the clock attention initially - it is not something you can do if you work long hours. Once puppies are weaned, the hard work really begins: It is very rewarding raising a litter properly, but it takes countless hours in feeding, cleaning up followed by more feeding & more cleaning up! The breeder must also make the effort to socialise puppies by introducing them to common household noises & letting them meet all different kinds of people, including children, all under careful supervision of course. Time also needs to be spent on vetting potential owners, making sure that your precious puppies only go the most suitable homes - this can be one of the most difficult aspects of breeding a litter as enquirers are not always what they seem when they first make contact with a breeder. Sadly not all enquirers can offer a good home environment for a puppy.



Could I cope if things go wrong? Whilst it is true that most bitches make good Mums & have trouble free pregnancies, there are also occasions when things do go disastrously wrong. Sometimes caesarean section surgery is required to deliver puppies safely & rarely, a breeder can lose both the ***** & all her puppies. Other problems that could arise include a failure of the ***** to produce milk, meaning her puppies have to be hand-reared (requiring bottle feeding every 2 hours round the clock).



Can I provide after sales help & advice to any puppy owners who might need it? A responsible breeder will always be happy to answer questions & provide advice to new puppy owners should they need it. This means having good knowledge on subjects like puppy training & common health issues. A responsible breeder also has a lifetime responsibility to the puppies they produce. This means being prepared to take back one of their puppies (however old he/she might be) for rehoming should the need arise (unfortunately people's circumstances do change), even if the timing is not convenient for the breeder. Responsible breeders do not "pass the buck" to Labrador Rescue or to general Rescue Societies. A breeder must also bear the moral responsibility if any of their puppies develops a hereditary defect. It needs to be noted that sometimes the courts will make breeders legally responsible for such defects - buyers are now much more aware of their consumer rights & puppies are treated like any other "goods" under current consumer legislation.



If after considering the above, you decide that you are ready for the responsibility of breeding a litter, then you should consult your *****'s breeder for advice as to suitable stud dogs, assuming he/she is reputable and experienced. The best stud dog for your ***** does not necessarily live just down the road from you s


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