Question:
Should I take one of my friends mother's GSD puppies, or just keep looking at the local shelter for a puppy?
gbrown72
2010-06-19 14:53:28 UTC
So my friend's mother's GSD is having puppies in July. When I asked how many pups she was having she had no idea because she has not taken the mother to the vet to have her checked out because she wanted save money. She is asking around $500-$600 for a puppy because the father is AKC, but the mother is not. I don't know if their mother has had puppies before. So should I take a chance on one of these puppies? Is this a fair price? Does the father being AKC give me at least a small chance that it won't have bad hips etc? What about temperment? We have a 4yr female, German Shorthaired pointer, 4yr twins & 2 teenagers, we need a pet that is easy to train, patient with kids, we hike alot as a family, & we all run at least a few miles a day with our pointer, so our new dog needs to have a lot of energy & need a lot of exercise.
Fifteen answers:
Yorkies are NOT lap dogs!
2010-06-19 14:57:57 UTC
Personally I wouldn;t buy a dog from a BYB, and a bred like the GSD should have BOTH parents health checked and hip scored,You are looking at the possibility of big vets bill sin years to come if you end up with a pup with hip dysplacia.

I personally would continue to wait for a shelter dog.
?
2010-06-19 16:14:12 UTC
The truth is, while the GSD mother could be an absolutely fabulous dog, her non-registration with the AKC is probably proof in the pudding that she is not AKC-eligible. And if she's not AKC eligible, then the fact that these pups have a registered dad means absolutely NOTHING. In order for it to matter at all whether or not the parents are registered, BOTH parents have to be registered. Then, and only then, can the litter be registered. And then, individual pups can be registered.

This is a quote taken from the AKC website (http://www.akc.org/reg/about.cfm): "The American Kennel Club registration system can be described as a cycle, which is repeated every generation. A convenient starting point is the registration of a litter. In order for a litter to be eligible for registration, the sire (Father/stud dog) and the dam (Mother/*****) must be individually AKC registered and the litter must be whelped in the United States. Registration of the litter must be completed before any of the pups from the litter can be individually registered with AKC. Application to register a litter must be submitted on a Litter Registration Application form. This form, as well as others mentioned here, is available upon request. The owners of the sire and dam should complete and sign the appropriate portions of the application and submit it to AKC with the required fee."



The AKC also states this about the health of registered dogs: "There is a widely held belief that "AKC" or "AKC papers" guarantee the quality of a dog. This is not the case. AKC is a registry body. A registration certificate identifies the dog as the offspring of a known sire and dam, born on a known date. It in no way indicates the quality or state of health of the dog. Quality in the sense of "show quality" is determined by many factors including the dog's health, physical condition, ability to move and appearance. Breeders breeding show stock are trying to produce animals that closely resemble the description of perfection described in the breed standard. Many people breed their dogs with no concern for the qualitative demands of the breed standard. When this occurs repeatedly over several generations, the animals, while still purebred, can be of extremely low quality."



If you're really interested in having a GSD puppy, look for another breeder. If, however, you'd be just as happy with a shelter dog, please do that instead. Many breeders have people on waiting lists for eyars because demand for purebloods is so high; meanwhile, shelter dogs usually have, at most, 30 days.

If you're worried about temperment and health of a dog, you can always check out rescue groups. They often will rescure shelter dogs and have them checked by a vet and let them live with them - so they get to know the dog's behavior and specific needs before you ever have to worry about it.



Good luck!
anonymous
2016-04-15 09:56:36 UTC
The breeder requested that you temporarily look after the pup, so could reclaim the pup & sell it at any time, as ownership still resides with the breeder. It the breeder's primarily motivated by $ signs, then you can either a) ensure you keep the pup by paying the $250 or b) attempt to negotiate a reduction in the price, while baring in mind that it may result in a loss of friendship if it becomes confrontational or possibly litigation if your friend disputes the costs you list. Edit: Morally I agree that you should be allowed to keep the pup, unfortunaltey what's morally and legally right do not always walk hand in hand. The price has probably been reduced from £600 to £250 because of the pups age, it has lost some of the initial "cute factor" by five months old.
Ariane deR
2010-06-19 15:59:39 UTC
If you'd like a GSD, consider getting a young adult from a breed rescue group -- often with the dogs are living in a foster home and so they have a good idea about the temperament and how it is with kids, other pets etc in a home situation, so the rescue can help match your family up with a dog.

i would rather do that than take a chance on a BYB pup from unregistered mom not getting prenatal check up and probably neither parent OFA tested, no eye testing, no temperament test , no working titles etc. Just one parent being AKC registered is not nearly enough reason for me to buy from a breeder. (I dont mean i would not buy from a breeder but it needs to be a truly responsible one not someone breeding unregistered bitches and cutting corners on health. )



And if you adopt from a rescue you may be still indirectly helping a dog in an open admission / kill shelter because when the breed rescues pull dogs out it frees up cage space
TritanBear
2010-06-19 15:12:35 UTC
I do a great deal of dog rescue and there are so so so many dogs/puppies that are being put to sleep every day. Purebreds, mix breeds, and designer dogs. I help save dogs all over the US so I see how many beautiful dogs are in URGENT rescue. Many shelters only give them 3 to 6 days and that goes for puppies as well. Lately we have had many beautiful GSDs of ALL ages loosing their lives. And do not be afraid to look outside of your area. There are many many groups that help transport dogs all over the country. I would go with that as a first option because if I ever did buy from a breeder I would make sure that both the parents were health certified against genetic health issues. My family bred German Shepherds for generations and you want a Solid Dog when it comes to breeds that are over bred.

Try petfinder.com, but in what dog breed you want, the age, gender etc and do not worry so much about location. AKC registeration has NOTHING to do with good health. Good AKC breeders have their dogs health certified through genetic testing. That is the only indicator of good health not registry.

Just look at petfinder and German Shepherd rescue groups. Just LOOK at least. 16 Million dogs are put to sleep every year in the US only 10% ever find a home. Being in most shelters is a deaht sentence and many times it is not a nice one.
dorothy s
2010-06-19 16:08:49 UTC
The sire of my last GSD's dam had poor hip scores, however he had sired several b1tches before he sired the dam who produced my last GSD. The dam had good hips and my dogs hip score was seven. The sire was renowned for producing dogs with fantastic hips. If I were into genetics I could explain this.



If the breeder spends time socialising the puppies, their temperament should be sound. However it is always up to the new owner to socialise a puppy. At the outset a GSD cannot cope with long walks and they need several on lead walks a day. Although GSD puppies have loads of energy, you cannot run with them until they are about a year old.I think that without having the mother hip scored and other health checks that she is asking too much for the puppies.
anonymous
2010-06-19 15:07:34 UTC
Don't touch them with a bargepole!

Puppies are registered with AKC years before they can have their hips checked so it is absolutely NO guarantee - even if it were, the fact that the mother hasn't been checked would make his score pretty meaningless.

Don't encourage irresponsible breeding - either find a reputable, knowledgeable breeder who checks hips, elbows etc before breeding or go to a shelter.

Well bred GSDs have fantastic temperament & will take all the exercise you can give them (as adults) but they are hard work as youngsters and need a firm, confident owner.

Badly bred GSDs can be a liability in terms of temperament and health.
Lanie
2010-06-19 15:04:29 UTC
NOOOO absolutely not. The mom is very mistaken. Since the father bred with a non AKC mother he could get his papers taken away. And what do you have then? A puppy you paid 600 for and it was pointless. I would suggest adopting :) they need homes too and you sound like you have a good home
Nekkid Truth!
2010-06-19 18:22:15 UTC
I wouldnt do it.



WAY too much to pay for an unregistered puppy, expecially when the breeder is too cheap to put forth vet care. Father being AKC means NOTHING... it is NOT a guarantee of health... all it means is the father has registered parents, and his breeder bothered to register the litter.





I'd take my chances with the shelter.
?
2010-06-19 15:16:25 UTC
Get a mongrel adult from the shelter

They may have had a bad life and whether or not the puppies will get snapped up in no time!



Mongrels in shelters are constantly over looked!!



It isn't a fair price. $600 for what COULD be a crossbreed!!!?

Or a free loving dog from a shelter - Who will love you're family forever.



Well, it's up to you now.

If you don't get one from the shelter you may end up regretting it...

There's so many homes wanted there!!!

- Saving a shelter dog won't change the world, but it will change that one dog's world.



Good luck, have fun. x
ladystang
2010-06-19 14:58:07 UTC
get a mutt from the shelter. cheaper.

an akc male that has been health checked would not be breeding with an unpapered female.

not a fair price for a mutt.

go to shelter and tell them what you are looking for.
K
2010-06-19 16:12:48 UTC
You're taking a giant chance on this puppy, but same goes with a shelter. Personally, unless she's going to give you one for free, I wouldn't take one.
Heather
2010-06-19 15:02:35 UTC
dogs at a shelter need homes those are puppys they will go fast save a dog and adopt a dog cause after they hve been in the shelter the people kill them save one
anonymous
2010-06-19 15:01:45 UTC
I would go to a shelter. Shelter dogs are greatly in need of homes so there arn't stuck in a metal cage(s). Also shelter dogs are WAY CHEAPER. And if you go on www.petfinder.com it will list shelters near you and the dogs and pups they have. If you are looking for a specific breed you will also be able to look it up on petfinder.com
rescue member
2010-06-19 14:58:24 UTC
That's certainly far too much for an unregisterable pup - she's way out of line price=wise,



She shouldn't be asking more than the cost of the vaccinations and vetting for the pups - certianly no more than 100.-


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