Question:
Reading answers to a recently posted question: WHAT does the b^tch teach?
Jesse
2012-01-12 19:11:59 UTC
the pups after they are weaned? Seriously. Once they can eat on their own, what does she do?

Does she:

~1) House break? No pee pee or poo poo in the house?
~2) Teach *no bark*?
~3) How to get used to a collar & lead?
~4) How to sit?
~5) What about *come*?
~6) Socialization?
~7) Stay out of the garbage?
~8) Don't eat that sock?
~9) Stop biting the human?
~10) Use of a kennel?
~11) No chew the rugs?
~12) No digging?

What DOES the b^tch teach?

I fostered a pregnant GS. She had 9 pups. Once they no longer needed her for food? She didn't do anything but what she wanted to do. She wasn't even interested in playing with them. In fact, she found it quite annoying.

I have seen other litters. And I'll be dipped in shite if I can figure out WHY a pup needs to stay with it's *mommy* 8 weeks? 10 to 12 weeks? Seriously?

I understand some very delicate small breeds such as Chihuahuas should stay with the BREEDER longer but why the heck does it need *mommy*?
Seventeen answers:
?
2012-01-12 19:27:55 UTC
Shhhhhhhhhhh Launi, you are going against the new age bunny hugging mentality that seems to have taken over.



I have seen my breeder now have many litters.

After those puppies are weaned she has zero to do with them.

She is out and about and back to her normal routine.



To your answers 1-12 the answer is of course no



Most of the children here will never be aware that in the olden days puppies always went home at six weeks old. And HORRORS OF HORRORS we did not "socialize" our doggies back then either.



I wonder how it is we managed to have so many well behaved dogs, and they did not go around biting people either. That bite inhibition thing is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

AND our male dogs were always intact also.



I would say about 15 of the 45 dogs I have owned in my lifetime left their dams at 6 weeks old. This would include all my childhood dogs, and golly gee they never bit me, my sisters or friends.

How in the world did we do it.



Now we have our softer, gentler, lazier society that wants puppies at 8 weeks old because they honestly are too lazy to do the work of having a 6 week old puppy much less an 8 week old puppy.

Besides it gives a way out for people to blame a dogs genetically weak temperament on it being taken away from mommy too soon, then just deal with the fact its a weak tempered dog.



Yes toy breeds need to stay with breeder longer for reasons of hypoglycemia, not what the mother dog would teach it.
☆ Memphis Belle ☆
2012-01-13 09:11:00 UTC
I will confine this answer to the working group and terrier breed I have owned and on that basis it is my opinion that from six weeks old when a puppy is weaned the ***** can be removed from the litter because her job is done. Furthermore if the puppies are sold to people who know what the breed is and have the personality and lifestyle to successfully own it, the less confident pups will not be conditioned by experience that backing off avoids stress and injury and the pushy pup that bullying is an effective behavior to get what it wants.



In a human household normal canine behavior such as nipping, latching onto clothing, rambunctious play and grabbing a food resource such as a sandwich are unwanted and suppressed with training, so better that the process begins early rather than allowing the behaviors to become more ingrained. That is not to say that a dog should be preventing behaving like a dog, but natural behavior should be channeled correctly with training so they are expressed in a positive way and under the owner's control.



The pups I purchased at six/seven weeks old where bred for mental/physical soundless, slept through the night from day one, soaked up training like a sponge, were unfazed when exposed to the multiple competing stimulus of everyday life and without exception matured into confident and well mannered dogs, that were as easy to live with inside the home as they were to exercise/train outside.



1 - 12 are [or should] be taught by the owner so the pup learns to control natural canine instincts/inclinations and toe the line. A dam could not teach a pup to fit into a human household.
oldakitagal
2012-01-13 02:53:39 UTC
As a matter of fact, my mothers do teach puppies a lot of the things you mention. They start leading pups out of the house to go potty around 4 weeks. They interrupt barking matches. Puppies follow Mum when I call her. Mum also teaches them where the garbage can is, how to dig, and that socks are for stealing - so it's not all positive! I have always let the moms wean the pups on their own - they start going into mom's food dish around 4 weeks, and by 7 weeks are no longer nursing. But I do not let them leave prior to 8 weeks - that last week is when they learn dog manners from their siblings. And I've been doing this for 35 years, so don't know when the 'good old days' was when pups were sold at 6 weeks old. In my breed, early socialization is a must - we carry and handle babies as soon as they are born, that is how they learn to trust humans. If they do not learn this trust, as adults they are wary, skittish, will bite if cornered (and are labelled as abused by rescue groups - when really it was lack of early socialization). My question is why NOT leave a puppy with its mother and siblings? Let the breeder establish a strong foundation for the next 16 years of a dogs life.
?
2012-01-12 19:44:32 UTC
I've never stated they had to stay and learn from mom after weaning, at that point they learnfrom their littermates & I do believe that a couple of extra weeks in the safety of the breeder's home will not rob any pup of the *critical* socialization period. I haven't taken in or sold a single pup under 12 weeks and never had any of the behavioral issues some people will tell you come from keeping a pup with it's litter past the point of weaning. A good breeder can do enough early training and socialization where a puppy is missing out on nothing
Labman
2012-01-12 19:57:11 UTC
Very little of that. That is why it is so vital they are in their homes by 7-8 weeks while they can still accept new things the best. You left out men, women, children, other ethnic groups, noise, vacuum cleaners and on and on.



There are some important things about being a dog they need to learn. The whole thing of pack rank, proper butt sniffing, body language, when no means no, etc. They mostly learn that from each other by 6 weeks. Ongoing contact withknown to be healthy dogs is still important.



One important lesson is not to foul their sleeping place. They can't eliminate at first unaided. A puppy with a full bowel or bladder whines. Mother picks it up and carries it away from the nest and licks it to facilitate elimination. When it is done, she carries back, and gets the next. Busy, busy, busy. If some imbecile breeder fails to give them enough room, the mother is forced to let them foul the nest. Then people have trouble housebreaking them.
♥Domino♥ Death to IGNORANCE
2012-01-12 19:27:44 UTC
Its not the mother it is learning from, its the siblings. Pups learn bite inhibition, social skills and a bunch of other things from their brothers and sisters. If there are no siblings around the pup can't learn much. When a dog is an only child, so to speak, then the mother will step in and teach it what the littermates would have. The mother DOES teach the pups things at that age too. That wasn't annoyance that she was showing them. She was telling them that it was enough playing. By 8 weeks the pup has already learned not to bite, and how to play with other dogs along with other things,and that is a good time to get them into their new homes. I've noticed that many dogs who are taken from the litter too young turn into anti-social monsters.
Corgi Admirer
2012-01-12 19:17:25 UTC
At 6-8 weeks they learn from the litter, not from "mommy". They learn all the basic skills dogs need for canine interaction. This is why during the 6-8 week mark you will notice puppies becoming more talkative, more interactive with each other, and they'll start wandering away from "mommy" and to each other. A reputable breeder knows this. The 10-12 week thing is for health benefits for certain breeds (like ones prone to hypoglycemia) "Mommy" doesn't interact with her puppies once they're six weeks, the litter does. 6-8 weeks they teach each other not to bite. I've seen a puppy taken at six weeks. Multiple times. There's a reason most of them grow up to be very nippy dogs. Some people can take a six week old puppy and train him to be a well socialized dog. These people are very experienced handlers and know what they're doing. The average person does not know what they are doing, however. Therefore, eight weeks is the ideal time for a puppy to be placed, not six.
Cindy
2012-01-12 19:24:37 UTC
If the dam won't touch her litter with a ten foot pole after weaning, then there is no reason to keep the pups with mom.



A lot of jurisdictions require that a dog be at least 8wks of age before it can be transferred or shipped out.
A Hunch
2012-01-12 19:20:45 UTC
A Chihuahua, a German Shepherd, and a Mastiff all have the same requirements for learning from their mother and siblings = do you think a Chihuahua is taught how not to get stepped on?!?



Watch the movie African Cats. Domestic dogs / cats need to learn exactly the same thing as the big African Cats (except how to hide from prey and forage for food). They learn temperment and how to get along with others.



I adopted a dog who was almost 6 weeks old from the shelter; she is almost 13 years old now. She's a 70pound German Shepherd. She has always been a little afraid of her own shadow. She was at the shelter with her mom and 8 siblings. I have always wondered if she would be the same if they had stayed together as a family until 8 weeks.
APBT Courage at its Best!
2012-01-13 11:30:25 UTC
Actually, from the 7 to 8 week it is not really necessary for them to remain with the dam as much as it is important for them to remain with their littermates for the socializing and interaction of other dogs. At four to six weeks, their development has barely begun and the few weeks following are very important in the life of a puppy as he develops.



The Puppy Toddlers stage is (3 - 6 Weeks) During the Toddler period, puppies emerge on their own from the litter. During this time, puppies learn basic behavioral patterns specific to dogs. While playing, they practice different body postures, learning what the postures mean and how they affect their mother and litter mates. They learn what it is like to bite and be bitten, what barking and other vocalizations mean and how to make and use them to establish social relationships with other dogs. Such learning and activity tempers their own biting and vocalizing. From the age of five weeks, the mother teaches her puppies basic manners. They learn to be submissive to her leadership and what behaviors are acceptable. If necessary, she growls, snarls, or snaps at them as a form of discipline. When weaning the litter, for instance, the mother will discipline her puppies so that they will leave her alone and they are not properly weaned until 6 weeks. However, the mother disciplines them in a way that they clearly understand, after a few times of her discipline, the puppies will respond to and know her body language even if it is just a glare. This is when they learn to accept leadership and discipline in its early interactions with other dogs and if they do not training later on is more difficult!



Puppies that are removed from the dam and littermates too early tend to be nervous, more prone to barking and biting, and less responsive to discipline and tend to be aggressive with other dogs. Generally speaking, a puppy taken away from its mother and littermates before seven weeks of age, may not realize its full potential as a dog and companion. To maximize the mental and psychological development of puppies, they must remain in the nest with their mother and litter mates until seven weeks of age.



Socialization Period (7 - 12 Weeks) it is at this age that rapid learning occurs. At seven weeks, puppies can learn and what they learn will have a lasting impact. Everything the pup comes in contact with will make a lasting impression upon him, as it never will again. They are eager to and will learn whether they are taught or not and what he learns at this time is permanent! That is why it is so important to be aware of what you are exposing your pup to during this time. Removing him from the litter early can have a negative impact on him for the rest of his life. When a puppy is between three and seven weeks, he is learning how to be a dog. Sudden changes, such as new surroundings or the absence of his mother and siblings should be avoided. Sudden change contributes negatively on a growing pup. Puppies have also just begun to recognize the people and other animals in his life. He is learning from his litter mates that biting hurts and Mom is teaching them to accept her as the leader of the pack.



To answer your question "what does the ***** teach them" I would have to say from the time she whelps the litter it is all connected and has a domino effect whether she looses interest at 6 weeks or 4 weeks. But a key factor would be the litter mates playing an important role in each others developement!



And above all, it is the law in most states.
anonymous
2016-09-28 15:46:43 UTC
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girlwithhorse1
2012-01-12 19:17:52 UTC
It's not always very obvious by how the pups turn out, but the mother gives them reassurance:



What I mean is that while they're young and they see their mother interact with humans without fear, they learn not to be afraid of humans. A puppy taken away from it's mother early becomes either overly dependant on humans or highly unsociable/skittish because the mother hasn't been allowed to install some independance in them (which is mainly what her job is)... Hope that answers your question.
?
2012-01-12 19:34:34 UTC
I left my puppy with the mother and her siblings for a full 10 weeks. That being said. She actually learned socialization skills from playing with her siblings and adult dogs in the house. The mother dog went in and out the dog door and yes...she taught the pups to go in and out, because they followed her lead. Which also lead to house breaking. House breaking my puppy was a piece of cake because she had already seen the adult dogs going outside, and it was completed in less than a week after I brought her home. I firmly believe that that staying the extra 2 weeks provided her stability and self assurance so she could also better deal with her short bout of separation anxiety.
anonymous
2012-01-12 19:39:15 UTC
After they are weaned they are on they are on their own . She will still be there as a mother teaching and bonding with them but as far as suckling no more . they are growing and she will play with them but only to a certain point , for the most part this is the time they start to learn on their own
cjrossi
2012-01-13 06:38:55 UTC
The b:tch teaches the pups to not get on the b;tches last nerve.
anonymous
2012-01-12 19:16:59 UTC
Sometimes. That happened with my dog and dog's mom. Their moms showed them where to potty.

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Yes, she teaches bite inhibition.

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8 weeks is law in many areas.



Considering the breeder owns mommy, the dog will stay with mommy. The longer, the better, but no one is going to wait six months.
papaw
2012-01-13 12:44:22 UTC
Sounds like you've nailed it on the head







Papaw


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