Question:
Is buying a dog with no papers bad?
anonymous
2009-01-05 05:50:27 UTC
I'm planning on buying my boyfriend's sister's dog. I have since seen that she is unable to care for the dog and has just recently aquaried a new dog. She pays little to no attention to the dog due to the fact that she has two children. The dog is left outside with no collar for hours at a time (while it cold outside). Mind you the dog is a purebreed tea cup so she is quiet thin and has short hair. The dog is only fed when the owner remembers that the dog needs to eat, same goes for a bath. I myself feel very attatched to the dog and wish to give it a better home. I am quiet sure that during the process of her buying the dog from a breeder she never aquired papers. If I am able, and I do hope, to buy the dog from her I am most certain that I will not be getting papers from her but i do wish to regestier the dog under my name. Will I be able to with no papers? The dog is a purebreed tea cup, 6-8 months old, and I believe has not had any shots what so ever as of yet. Please if you have any information let me know.
~thanks
22 answers:
Weimaraner Mom
2009-01-05 05:59:03 UTC
If the dog is most certainly a Purebred dog you can register the dog under the AKC PAL/ILP listing, it's the Purebred Alternative Listing and you can register the dog that way.



But be sure to not state that the dog is a tea-cup anything, the AKC does not recognize Tea-cups as a breed because there is no such thing. If the dog is a Yorkie just say Yorkshire Terrier if a chihuahua then list as a Chihuahua NOT a teacup they will reject your application I'm sure.



Why on earth would this woman purchase another dog if she's neglecting the first dog??? Both should be removed from her care as she is an irresponsible owner.



Anyway I hope you get this puppy and give it a good home, this woman should be reported for neglect.



Good luck



P.S. You do not need to register this dog in order to own it. Papers are only required if you intend to show the dog and if the dog does not have them then you cannot show it. Also the AKC PAL/ILP registration requires the dog to be fixed so you cannot show it or breed it.
zaheer
2016-12-11 18:45:16 UTC
Papers For A Dog
nicola
2016-05-24 15:30:29 UTC
Whether or not a breeder registers their litters with the AKC or another registry really has no bearing on the quality of the dog. A breeder could breed a dog relentlessly for years and years, and register every litter. Does not make them a good breeder. The best thing to do is visit the breeder, more than once even, and observe the conditions. Are the pups kept in the house or outside? How well are they socialized? Are the parents on the premises? Ask for names of some buyers and contact them for reference. Check with some rescue groups and see if they know anything about the breeder. There is a lot of other homework that can be done to determine the quality of the breeder. It goes way beyond whether or not they "file papers"
anonymous
2009-01-05 06:14:00 UTC
A friend of mine bought a dog under similar circumstances. Ask her where she bought the dog from? If it was from a breeder, ask her who the breeder was. You can get repeat papers from the breeder. If the dog was registered as a pup, the breeder will have papers from all her litters and a note of who she sold which pup to at the time. If there were no papers and she just bought the dog from 'someone', when you buy it from her, make sure you get a receipt and description of what you are handing over money for. You can then prove ownership. Take her to the vets straight away and start her course of vaccinations immediately (2 over 2 weeks) and then annually.

I wouldnt worry about registration, as the others have said, if there are no papers - as long as you have your receipt to prove she is yours - her papers are to prove she is a registered breed and was sold to an owner that is registered with the Kennel Club. If you have any questions, the Kennel Club may be of help - especially tracing a breeder, if she only has a name etc....as it sounds unlikely that she even registered change of ownership if she did buy it from a breeder. Best of luck.
myra
2016-06-02 03:54:10 UTC
Many people love the idea of owning a dog but one thing that they have to keep in mind often times, is that the dog needs to be trained. While the pet may look heart-breakingly cute when it's in a shelter or at the pound, picking out the dog is only the first part of the relationship between dog owner and the animal. Many people don't understand that they have to put time and effort into socializing the dog.



An unsocialized dog will intimidate others, tear up the home, and will create an environment that can become so bad that the it will have to be returned. Many times when dogs have to be returned to shelters or to other resources, it will end up euthanized, which is very heartbreaking. All of this can be spared if a person learns the various techniques in order to socialize the dog.



One thing that they have to understand is that the he wants to be told what to do. It's in the canine nature to follow a leader. The dog will be more than willing to obey the leadership of its master. Here's a look at some common techniques that are used in dog training:



"Dog Whispering"



This is a technique that has been around for a while, but gained national notoriety over the last 10 years. Some people might hear this term and wonder how in the world whispering to a dog can train it! Whispering isn't meant to be taken literally in this case. As trainers have shown, whispering is a term that refers to connecting with a being or an entity on a very deep and almost spiritual level. When it comes to dog training techniques, dog whispering involves careful observation of the dog's behavior and actions.



It literally entails getting inside the mind and the behavior system of the canine. When a person uses dog whispering techniques, they interact with the dog on the canine level. Again, one the most common mistakes that people make is treating the dog like a small human being.



"Reward Training"



Reward training is very simple and it's one of the older tricks that works. This is a simple method of training the dog by positive reinforcement. Once he does what it is told to do, it receives a treat. How this works is that the dog owner must entice the dog towards the treat. Once the canine develops awareness for the treat, it develops a strong desire for it. When the desire for it is extremely strong, the dog owner pulls back. Then the dog receives a command and when the dog obeys the command, it receives the treat. The object is to make the dog associate a treat with the command.



"Clicker Training"



Other dog training techniques include one that is similar to reward training, which is called clicker training. How this works is that the clicker is incorporated to get the dog's attention. The clicker is clicked as a form of communication with the dog. It learns that there is a command or reward associated in conjunction with the clicker. Many people claim that this is fun, and they actually make a game with the dog by using the clicker for their dog training tasks.



"Ultrasonic Whistle"



Last, a relatively new form of dog training technique is called the ultrasonic whistle. This works because the ultrasonic sound is only heard by the dog. When the owner is trying to communicate a command, or stop the dog from barking, they will blow on their whistle when they want to communicate a command to the dog. The benefit of this is that the humans can't hear this noise, but the dog can hear it, and they will learn to associate the sound with a command.



Dog training techniques aren't hard to incorporate, but they are something that absolutely must be incorporated from the time a dog owner brings their new dog home. No matter how old or how young the dog is, they will need training. Once they are trained properly, they will be a wonderful addition to one's family.



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Nekkid Truth!
2009-01-05 06:12:22 UTC
there's no such thing as a "teacup".. "teacup" is just a label used by irresponsible breeders to sell a sickly runt pup for a high price.



if it doesnt have papers, then you can NOT get papers. The only way to get papers on a dog is if the breeder has 2 purebreds of the same breed, fully registered with the same registry.. the breeder then registers the litter, and gives the individual registration forms to the new puppy owners.



There is the option of the ILP/PAL listing thru the AKC and UKC, but the dog has to be spayed or neutered.. for AKC it must be an AKC recognized breed. UKC will give this type of registration to mixed breeds. Its useful if you are interested in entering the dog in non-conformation events.



Since you are getting the dog from a friend/aquiantance.. it doesnt matter if the dog has papers or not.. its just a pet that you are rescuing, and should be spayed/neutered.



Papers are important for breeding and show.. if you are seeking to buy from a breeder, this is one thing to look for....however papers do not mean quality either, so there are many other things to ask about when buying a pup.. if a breeder sells unregistered dogs tho, you can quickly weed them out as an irresponsible breeder.





You can get the dog microchipped, and register the chip in your name.. and you can also get your dog licence, which would be registered in your name as well.
anonymous
2009-01-05 06:11:08 UTC
Depends on what country you live in.First of al there is no such breed as teacup anything it merely means the dog is smaller than usual although it might be a pure bred runt and registered as a breed without the teacup added.If she never go the papers originally you will not be able to register the dog on main register with the AKC but if you wish to do Obedience there is a different register for this.Why do you need to register?if you plan to breed or enter shows that is the only time you need the papers.in my country you can get registered pets which is called Limited register and means you cannot breed or show that dog so it solves a few problems.Make sure also that the dog you feel sorry for has no issues you are not aware of as you will be stuck with this for many years and you do not want hefty vet bills.If you want a pure bred dog and registered one so badly get one from a registered breeder of breed of your choice but you will most likely find there will be a contract that you will have to have the dog spayed or neutered as no good breeder wants their dogs to end up in puppy mills
aj.puppyluv
2009-01-05 06:04:57 UTC
No it's not bad to buy a dog without papers. It actually sounds as if you are hoping to rescue this baby (even though your planning to purchase it, it still seems as though it is a rescue). The only way you will be able to register the dog is by obtaining the registration papers (or puppy application if it's never been registered). If the breeder registered the litter, but the owner has not received the papers, then you will (or the one who purchased the puppy from the breeder) will need to contact the breeder in order to get the papers.



If the current owner has not received the papers, it is possible that the puppy was purchased on a spay/neuter contract. Some breeders will hold the papers until they receive documentation from your vet providing proof of the spay/neuter. You'll need to get more information from the current owner to determine whether or not you will have the ability to register in your name.



Good luck. And congrats to you for searching for a way to give this baby a better life -- he/she doesn't deserve to be treated as you've described.
Cee M
2009-01-05 06:02:38 UTC
If you buy the dog even if you know its a purebred you can get it at a discount if she doesn't have the papers.. When people buy dogs with papers they buy them in there mind to breed and to breed two dogs they both need the papers in order for it to be a purebred. A guy at my job breeds boxer dogs he usually sells them for 400 dollars a dog with the papers but if they don't want the papers and they just want a family dog he sells it for cheaper.. Find out how much the dogs are going for with the papers and ask for half.. A purebred dog without the papers is only purebred in the owners mind there is no reason you should pay for a purebred price for a mutt in the eyes of the akc or ukc.
Moondog
2009-01-05 06:01:33 UTC
You are basically rescuing this dog so I wouldn't worry about the papers. If it was sold to her as a 'teacup' then it came from a back yard breeder so it would not have papers. Ethical breeders don't sell dogs as 'teacups' because there is no such size in any breed standard.



Since this person doesn't care properly for this dog the new dog will probably suffer the same fate. I wonder why she has a new dog is she is not capable of caring for a dog properly.



All you need to prove ownership is a receipt if you are paying for the dog. Take the dog to the vet and get it vaccinated and while you are there book it in to be spayed. Have the dog microchipped in your name when she is spayed.
anonymous
2009-01-05 06:53:46 UTC
If you plan on just keeping the dog for a pet you don't need papers and shouldn't have to register it. I think it's wonderful that you are wanting to give the dog a loving and caring home but don't think about registering it just so that you can brag "my dog is a registered pure breed". It's not worth it and you will have to pay for the privilege to do it along with having to come up with a really unique name to register it under. (I once had a papered miniature schnauzer female and had to come up with a name to register her with and pay for the privilege if doing it. I never showed her I just had her as a pet.
JenVT
2009-01-05 09:33:17 UTC
No- it's not bad as long as you don' t pay too much for her. A teacup of any breed should never be bred because they are the runt of the litter and often have health issues, so make sure you get it spayed or neutered asap.
♥my angel in heaven♥
2009-01-05 05:57:06 UTC
There is no such thing as "purebred teacup" They do not exist. Before you buy her dog read up on the "teacup breed" you might be buying her troubles. As far as the papers I don't you you will have to ask her if she had that option. If not you can always microchip the dog and get his rabies shot ect all under the new owners name. EDITED to add papers are only needed for showing a dog. This dog can not be shown because it is a teacup. This means it is poorly bred.
Harold
2017-02-27 23:27:36 UTC
I have pretty long hair, I like them but I think I would have them reduce short in about some two many years
amagroomertx
2009-01-05 05:56:38 UTC
The only reason that you would need papers is if you were going to show the dog. That is honestly the only reason that there is a need for papers. The only reason people make such a big deal out of it is because it is almost a status symbol. If you get the dog registered anyways you can use CKC they registar anything.
anonymous
2009-01-05 06:17:17 UTC
i don't think it matters about papers unless you plan on showing the dog. I personally like a rescued dog the shelters are full of wonderful dogs that will make a great pet.If you do get the dog know who your getting it from not just a puppy mill and please take it to the vet and have it checked.
anonymous
2017-01-16 13:40:46 UTC
For me, short. a person see, hair like jared leto's look too effortless and sometimes even oily. Shortcuts are more fun to perform with and some sttles look better on them.
Moo
2009-01-05 06:08:41 UTC
Nope, I have 2 shih tzu's that we got without papers. I couldn't care less about the papers. The only reason you should really need the papers is to breed or to show. My daughter is going to show one of ours in 4H and around here we don't need them for 4H purposes. (you can show anything-mutts, so on.)
Rachel G
2009-01-05 05:57:28 UTC
ok well first of all you are saying pure bred tea cup and there is no such thing there is not even a tea cup size so if that is what your boyfriends sister was told then there is no papers on the dog because she got the dog from a BYB. and if you could please tell me what breed of dog it is that would be very helpful
FACTS CAN BE PROVEN!
2009-01-05 06:11:11 UTC
It is NOT a "purebreed" ANYTHING *&* there's NO SUCH THING as "teacup" ANYTHING!

The correct adult word is purebred!

You ***CAN'T*** register it w/out COMPLETE documentation of every single transfer of ownership.

You CAN'T registered an AKC w/out AKC registration.



You CAN'T register the thing...you *can* LICENSE* it.



Get it vaccinated FAST!
anonymous
2009-01-05 06:14:51 UTC
you dont need papers and you may reg her ther ckc under your name is she a chihuahua?
rusty
2009-01-05 05:56:18 UTC
luk u dont need papers for ur dog .u have to give him a better home . i m also having a dalmation n i dont have papers .. dont care abt dat. its not necessary


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