What makes a dog not an ill-bred mutt to you people?

Question

What makes a dog not an ill-bred mutt to you people?

Answer 1

No dog is an ill-bred mutt.

Answer 2

One that has no genetic health issues. The key word is GENETIC. dogs with health issues should be neutered and BYB don't do this, they use the dog anyway.

Answer 3

No genetic testing on parents, no selective breeding for best possible out come. BYBers will breed anything to anything, reputable breeders go to great lengths to produce the best quality dogs possible. BIB BIG difference.



95% of pet dogs now come from BYBers & Puppy Mills. They are responsible for all the dogs in pounds, shelters & rescues. There are some breed specific rescues were there may be a good quality well bred dog. But people who spend $2,000 to $5,000 are getting a well bred high quality dog compared to BYBer & Puppy Mills.



You don't know enough to even be asking this question, many misconceptions, lack of understanding, ignorant statement, lol, you just don't know anything about what you are ranting about.

Answer 4

● "What makes a dog not an ill-bred mutt to you people?"



Silly question - no-one here is "people" - each of us is an individual. But "people" is an all-embracing plural for the whole human species. NO WAY can you or I speak for the whole human species!



What makes a pooch into a dog to be coveted by ME are:

💥1: It fits within all the limits set in the International Standard of its breed, and so do its parents, grandparents. greatgrandparents, greatgreatgrandparents.

💥2: As an adult, it can perform the tasks for which its breed was developed - and so can its parents, grandparents. greatgrandparents, greatgreatgrandparents.

💥3: It LOOKS the way that breed is supposed to - angulations, coat, head, outline, shape, size, substance.

💥4: It is normally calm & "Hale fellow, well met!". But it has the initiative to act without waiting for a command when it deems a situation is "not right".

💥5: Unless there is a valid genetic reason, its pedigree has no common ancestry in the closest 5 generations, as with my Bea: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1325022



An example of #4 would be "Otto". in my 1973 litter.

🐕He was normally "everyone's friend" - he would dance out to the end of his leash to greet the show judge and won several CCs (= points towards a Champion title at conformation shows). He would always win the Longest Down Stay contest at GSD club competitions, calmly lying where he'd been left despite the judge calling him, stepping across him, clapping or stamping in front of him, bouncing a ball in front of him, pulling his leash - he would lose only if another GSD was also that calm & obedient, and so the judge brought out 2 balls of dog sausage and place one a bit out of reach of each dog. Even then "Otto" stayed Down - his hind toes would twinkle and slide him forward on his sternum until his tongue could "magically vanish" the ball in front of him.

GSDs were developed to herd sheep and to protect the sheep and their humans.

🐕My first GSD became a professional sheep herder along State Highway 1 until an impatient driver ran him down while Caesar was clearing a path through the mob of sheep. "Otto" lived in dairy country and then in the city, so had no opportunities with sheep. But he was protective & had initiative. Pump-hands filling our station wagon with petrol would admire his looks - they couldn't hear the sotto voce rumble in "Otto"s throat because a stranger was touching OUR vehicle! One day a stranger opened the house-gate while "Otto" was 'admiring the view' from the top terrace of our hill-side property. "Otto" race along that terrace, threw himself off the 7ft high retaining wall and attempted to grab this intruder - no, NONE of my GSDs have been trained to bite. The intruder managed to get on the other side of the gate and shut it - from the other end of the house we felt the shock as "Otto" threw himself at the gate. When we went out, then opened the gate to let the man in, "Otto" accepted our right to let the stranger in.

● "Update: Mutts are way better in my opinion. They live longer and have less health issues. But even if its purebred you still there s something wrong with it. a reputable breeder and BYBs are THE SAME. Purebred are more ill-bred than mutts because theres a lot of inbreeding for purebreds and thats bad."



What are you - an 11 year old girl with an MSc(Hons) in genetics? Get real!

Your opinion is JUST an opinion - it has NO validity unless it is based on valid research. And my experience recognises that you have obviously NOT done the research to support or refute your opinions.

There are plenty of people who proclaim the same opinions as you do. They tend be people who breed "whoopsie" litters or bought a pup from one - or are down&dirty con-artists and puppy-millers.



I was quite happy with Pal, a Fox Terrier x hunting Cocker Spaniel cross-breed given my by Gran. But I was lucky in that he had the perfect combination of Terrier independence and Spaniel dependence to suit a 9-10 year old boy in a district so remote that the only 2 children my age in a 1-teacher school lived 10 miles away.

As an adult, GSDs (of which the modern so-called "GSDs" are mostly fashionable-but-inferior deviations) have suited me perfectly.



Get yourself widespread experience plus a genetics degree, and learn how to RESEARCH - at present you aren't even good enough to detect & correct the 3 typos plus the word missing-word error in your:

○ "But even if its purebred you still there s something wrong with it."

before posting it.



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King Les The Lofty - first pup in 1950; GSD breeder & trainer as of 1968

Answer 5

One that doesn't have genetic issues, or behaviorial issues, or an obvious physical handicap like an open palette in the mouth, or twisted spine, deformed feet, predisposition to seizures, etc.

Answer 6

A mutt is a mutt, by whatever name you choose to call it be it mongrel, mix, designer dog, etc. Reputable breeders do not breed them BYB/Puppy Mills and Pet Stores sell them, they've had no genetic testing prior to breeding, which results in poorly bred, genetically deficient mutts, with unknown backgrounds that do not need to meet any standard.

Answer 7

A reputable breeder and a by most certainly are not the same.



Mutts are NOT healthier. This is a myth that has long since been disproven. Since so many designer mutts have gained popularity and breeders are churning out second and third generations, many of those are even more "inbred" than a purebred is.



FYI. "Inbreeding" and "line breeding" aren't the same thing. Genetic disease doesn't dissapear because of crossbreeding.. many breeds of similar size/type have the SAME genetic issues anyways. Line breeding doesn't make issues magically crop up, especially if those issues were NEVER present in the bloodlines. Line breeding can STRENGTHEN a line of done properly.



Cross breeding only widens the possible genetic issues. A lab/poodle, for example, will have all the possible issues found in labs AND poodles.

Answer 8

You are entitled to like mutts better than well bred purebred dogs, but the rest of what you typed is pure BS. Mutt breeders do NOT do any genetic heath tests on the Parents to even try to breed genetically healthy puppies, nor to they care anything about the temperament either. That being said, BYB's, even the ones who breed purebred dogs are very similar to mutt breeders other than they breed two dogs of the same breed to each other. There's a HUGE difference between a BYB and a reputable breeder, and tbh, BYBers are more likely to inbreed than reputable breeders are, because they often breed Mother to Son or Brother to Sister because they OWN both dogs they breed and therefore NO stud service fees are involved. They breed out of convenience because it's was the easiest and cheapest for them, because all they want to do is save money on the breeding and caring for a litter so there will be more money in their pockets as a result. Reputable breeders of purebred dogs DO genetic health testing, most often know the genetic health of at least most of the dogs in a 4 generation pedigree, purposely breed healthy stock that also conforms to the written breed standard, and purposely breed dogs with sound temperaments. Most of those dogs ARE titled in some way or form, whether it be a conformation title, obedience title or any other titles that can be earned that might be relevant to their breed such as Field Trial Champion, etc. Reputable breeders rarely inbreed, but rather tend to line breed to lock in excellent family traits without breeding as close as Mother to Son, Sister to Brother, 1/2 Sister to !/2 Brother, etc. You DO NOT KNOW WHAT INBREEDING IS. If YOU decide to buy a mutt from wherever, and you do NOT know for sure of that mutt's background, you also do NOT know if that mutt IS a product of inbreeding, meaning that MUTT could most certainly be the result of a Mother to Son breeding or the breeding of 2 littermates. In fact, even if you buy a mutt from a private home, sometimes the owner of the Dam doesn't even know who the Sire OR Sires may be, because their girl was knocked up by whoever in their neighborhood, meaning there could be multiple Sires/Fathers to the puppies involved.



I personally prefer purebred dogs, but I have owned a few mutts over the last 50+ years. In fact, I own a little 10 year old mutt right now, and he IS the WORST dog I've ever owned. Not only is he UNHEALTHY, his temperament is HORRIBLE, and I wouldn't wish my worse enemy to own a dog like him. He is a HOT MESS, and that's the truth.



Educate yourself, dear. Because frankly, you're talking out of your @ss.

Answer 9

That is a VERY naive statement to make and one I'm afraid that shows complete ignorance.



One totally inaccurate statement is ' a reputable breeder and BYBs are THE SAME"



However, if that's how you feel then there's no point in arguing about it.

Answer 10

If you have this idea in your head, there not much to be said other than you are not correct. Good breeders do not set out to breed poor puppies - and they know about the dangers of breeding in too close. Line breeding (which is NOT inbreeding btw) happens to establish type, but again breeders know when an outcross mating is needed in their breeding programme. Logic should also tell you that putting two breeds together, randomly and usually untested at that, could produce puppies with all the faults BOTH idividuals have. My hounds, for example, lived well beyond the norm for their breed, with minimal vet trips which is what most good breeders strive to achieve. BYBs, who are those doing all this messing around with long established breeds and adding a stupid name to the result, don't care about much other than your money.



There are no records for non-purebred dogs (I prefer this term, or mix-bred or mongrels if more than 2 breeds are involved, to mutt) either, so who knows whether they actually do live longer with less health issues!! For every one purebred dog I see when going to my vet, there are usually 3 non-purebred dogs in there.



If you happen to prefer a non-purebred dog, that's your choice. I happen to prefer living with a well-bred animal I can admire and whose traits (size, coat, health-longevity and temperament) are known. Having a non-purebred is a lottery. You may get good, and equally get the opposite.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564373/The-hidden-suffering-dogs-bred-cute-Adorable-looks-Cuddly-names-like-Labradoodle-But-trend-cross-breed-dogs-raises-disturbing-questions.html

Answer 11

It has a traceable proven blood line and has been screened for health issues and genetic issues. Mutts have NO proven blood lines, have no traceable ones, are ill bred, have nothing but health issues and genetic and temperament issues



Mutts have an unknown past.

Answer 12

Find a dog you like. Don't buy from a pet store, and you will be in pretty good shape.



You can also check the shelter or local animal rescue leagues. They save dogs who need homes.



"Ill-bred mutts" is a term people use who only like purebred dogs.



Our dogs have all been mixes, great dogs and lived long.

Phoenix: Lab mix, age 17

Maizie: Border Collie mix, age 17

Mauie: Boxer mix, adopted out

Della: Malamute mix, still with us, about 12

Foxy(relative's dog): Poodle Pom, great dog!

People have their own ways of supporting their own opinion.



No pet stores bcz they buy from mills.



Those who like purebred dogs probably prefer breeders who research the background of the animals. They will pick animals that do not have health defects, and blood lines that do not interfere with one another or too close together. They feel an affinity to the breed they have chosen and do their best to produce good puppies.



Mixed dogs will usually naturally mix the genes up.



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