Question:
Shepherd with seperation anxiety?
dmg1969
2007-07-05 05:17:19 UTC
Long story short. My wife and I bought a GSD from a couple with several children. This was last October. It seems to us that he was not given much attention the woman said he was generally either outside or in his kennel. He just turned 3 on Tuesday. We have a female pit/rott mix as well. He is not fixed, she is. She is the same age within a few months.

Ever since we got him, he is very needy. He follows each of everywhere. When I sit in my recliner, he sits right beside me on the floor and puts a paw up on me. The same thing when I sit at the computer desk. Many times, he will whine and bump you with his nose to get attention. There are times he will lay quietly, but if you make a slight move, he shoots up.

Just recently, we noticed that he has taken to urinating right near my recliner whenever I leave for work. My wife never sees him doing it, but we know it is him because one time, it was actually on the side of the chair. He does not do anything when my wife leaves.Thoughts?
Eight answers:
H.O.T. Dog
2007-07-05 07:47:44 UTC
Hi,

This dog is very grateful to you for giving him a better life. This is just my opinion, but, I think he feels - this is my masters chair - he is gone - I am guarding it - don't cross this line.



I would suggest to leave him in his kennel when you leave the house... then in about an hour have your wife let him out and see if he repeats the action on your chair. When she lets him out she needs to take him to the chair and tell him NOT to mark it.... that it is ok. By you putting him in the kennel and her taking him out.. she is showing him SHE is in 2nd position in the pack= second in charge while you are away so no need for him to mark.



It is natural for the Shepherd to want to guard but they also need a clear understanding of the pack order in the den...



There is one behavior that you mentioned and that is the nose/head under the hand...or the licking and cleaning motions == when he does this DO NOT pet him or let him groom you... this is a small move to take Alpha position - shove him away and then in a few minutes call him back and pet him... show him where his place is. Then, you may be onto the correct path to avoid the peeing and a possible fight between your 2 dogs in the future.



I have 6 German Shepherds at this current time. Only 2 are allowed together at a time due to packing... I have had several others. All are house dogs. 2 outside playing or getting fresh air - 2 in the house lounging - 2 in the crates resting from playing outside.



Good Luck - and I have a feeling that once your dog knows that his Alpha does NOT want him marking or taking over guard when he leaves the house... all will be ok



Bless you for taking a rescue... just got a call yesterday that GSD rescue has another working one in looking for a home... my coffer is full.



H.O.T. Dog

Handler Owner Trainer of GSD's

Member U.S.A & A.W.D.F
Lisa
2007-07-05 12:41:03 UTC
It doesn't sound like your dog needs separation anxiety meds that vets describe, because he isn't acting out in a destructive way that the meds are meant to curb.



Crate training is an awesome idea for your dog as well as anti-anxiety training, like de-sensitizing your dog to EVERYTHING that he associates with you leaving. (Like putting on shoes, picking up keys, opening garage doors, etc.) Eventualy he'll learn that just because you're leaving doesn't mean that you won't ever be back.



Also, consider a regular obedience class, it gives your dog something to do, something to think about doing, and some independence.



The user sillybuttmunky posts that same article every different place when the term 'separation anxiety' comes up. Anxiety in animals is different for every animal, don't listen to the same old crap every time.
marnibrown1
2007-07-05 12:22:53 UTC
Have you tried rescue remedy?? its great for anxiety of all sorts.. you can get it at any health food store.. give him an adult dosage... its a flower essence and you could give him the whole bottle without hurting him.. it is great... and you need to get some natures miracle for the spot he pee's on and get rid of the smell... another alternative is crating him when you are away... good luck...smile



here are some GREAT websites with alot of useful info....There was so much really good stuff out there that I didn't want to take up all the space with posting it all so please check out these sites.. if it gets bad enough there is a medication you could get from your vet but I personally have not seen the best results with the dogs that were treated in the clinic I worked at...I hope this all helps...



http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/behaviourproblems/anxiety.html

http://www.inch.com/~dogs/separationanxiety.html

http://www.dogobedienceadvice.com/separation_anxiety/

http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/desepanx.html

http://stormy.blogs.com/stormy/2006/03/seperation_anxi.html

http://www.petvets.com/petcare/dogs.html

http://www.sptimes.com/News/080401/Homeandgarden/Treating_separation_a.shtml



EDIT: it sounds like you are on the right track.. you will have to establish routines and get him comfortable with his new home.. remember he is an adult dog and just got ripped from his home that he knew and its going to take time.. he has attached to you as you are "ALPHA" to him and when you are away he might feel the need to be alpha and marking the teritory where you sit is his way of saying its "HIS" space...you are just going to ave to experiment.. I would stay away from prescription drugs for now and maybe try some resue remedy.. it really works great to curb the anxiety... I used it on a border collie that I used to have for thunderstorms and my daughter used it prior to taking tests and she would ace the tests when she took it...smile.... and best of luck to you and your new addition!!!
OzMick81
2007-07-05 12:31:59 UTC
German Shepards are very loyal dogs. They always want to be with the owner. They have unconditional love for their owners.

He is urinating near your recliner because when you are not home, he sits there because of your smell that is in the chair, he feels comfortable being able to smell you, it's as if your still close.

He may also urinate there to show it's his territory, and that your his master.

There is not much you can do, it's genetic for Shepards to be like this.

They whine loudly and get really excited when you come

home.

All the actions your shepard does are all to do with his affection towards you. Enjoy it, they are the best most loyal dog you can ever have.
Collie
2007-07-05 12:27:51 UTC
Great for taking on a rescue!

Do you go out of your way to establish a routine with your dogs? I mean take them out at the same time, Feed at the same time etc. etc. Dogs are creatures of habit and I feel that your dog is trying to tell you something.

You will find that if a routine is established both your dogs will know (and wait) for things because of their 'inbuilt clock'



Good Luck and I wish you all well!
2007-07-05 12:28:43 UTC
He has attached himself to you and you alone,I would say the reason for peeing is marking his territory and you are part of his territory.Try swapping over for awhile you spend more time with the other dog and your wife can have him for a little while.I dont know if it will work with older dogs but I have done it many times with puppies.GOOD LUCK.
K9 Companion
2007-07-05 13:18:07 UTC
From the internet view you gave I'd say he is taking your place when you leave....taking over your position by marking it for all to see and smell....guarding his status if you will....simply change the events in the future....try chasing him away from you.....
sillybuttmunky
2007-07-05 13:04:31 UTC
Much of what is called "separation anxiety" is really boredom, or the dog discovering the chance to engage in his favorite "hobbies" safely. If your dog spends every second that you're home glued to your side, including sleeping times, and any destruction you find happens within the first 20 minutes of your absence (use a video camera to watch, or come back within a short time period) then it's possible that you have a true case of separation anxiety. If your dog can spend the night away from you, and is comfortable being somewhat separated from you while you're home, you probably do not really have separation anxiety - you are more likely to be dealing with boredom or just inappropriate chewing, barking, digging, etc.



It is likely to be separation anxiety if: The dog chews on a variety of things, but chewing is often focused on items that smell most like you (or a particular person in your house) such as recently discarded clothes, including underwear or socks, or favorite chairs; and /or escape routes (doors or windows). The dog only chews these items when you're gone. (If your dog chews on a few goodies, like the couch, or chews on things even when you're around, you have a houseproofing problem - see the other training tips for advice).

The dog tries to stay close to the things that smell most of you (chewed stuff will still be warm when you get home)

The dog pees or poops inappropriately, sometimes in many locations.

The dog barks continuously during the day, perhaps after a build-up of whining. The barking is not on-off-on-off. (For other kinds of barking, see the Barking Training Tip.)

The dog always shows these behaviors when left alone, even for short periods (30 minutes or less).

The dog is wild to greet you, and is still stressed, anxious and clingy when you first arrive home. The dog does not appear "guilty" over destroyed items.

Destruction begins soon after you leave; or possibly again shortly before you come home.

The dog cannot be isolated from you at any time, even in a different room with the door closed.

The dog sleeps with you. (This does not mean that all dogs who sleep with their owners will get separation anxiety. It does mean that dogs that survive being apart from you at night can survive it during the day, too).

Sometimes, the dog can be left alone in a car (for any length of time) or other unusual location, without showing anxiety or destructiveness.

Sometimes the dog can be left with anyone; sometimes it is one particular person whose absence triggers the anxiety or issues.

The dog gets increasingly distressed as you prepare to leave.

The dog is constantly following you and demanding your attention when you are home.









Here are some things you can do to help.



Try to make your arrivals and departures very boring and low-key. Don't make a big fuss over saying hello and goodbye. Be very casual and up-beat.



Try to make interactions with your dog on your terms, not his. You pet him, treat him, or play with him when you want, and not when he asks for it.



Get your dog used to your getting-ready-to-leave cues, like picking up keys and jacket. Go through these actions repeatedly during the time when you're staying home, without actually leaving. If your dog has already learned to associate his fears with your departure cues, it will take a lot of repetitions before the dog will get it.



Give your dog more exercise. A tired dog is a good dog! A dog can sleep most of the day if he's tired enough. Most young dogs could use 20-100 minutes of full-speed running per day. Increase your dog's exercise. Don't forget mental exercise, like training, exploring new places, encountering new smells, and social interaction with other dogs. Taking your dog to a park where he can run and play with others may be crucial. (Find dog parks around San Jose here.)



Give your dog something to do while you're gone! What does your dog do all day? Wait around for you to come home? Give your dog an hobby. Jean Donaldson calls the solution to a lot of dog problems "work-to-eat" programs. Stuff a Kong or a hollow prepared bone, fill up a Buster Cube or Roll-A-Treat, scatter the dog's food in the grass or hide several chew treats around the house (see the Merchandise page for a description of some of these items). A dog that is working for goodies is not barking or chewing, and a dog that is eating is not very stressed!



Don't draw attention to forbidden objects just before leaving - in other words, don't straighten up or point out the items that you don't want the dog to chew. Your dog might misinterpret your attention and give those objects his attention just because of it. In a similar way, punishing your dog afterwards for destruction he's done will probably not help - it will not reduce your dog's anxiety, show him a better way to deal with it, or give him an alternative behavior. He might not even connect the punishment with the action he did to cause the destruction. (Don't confuse a dog's "appeasement display", developed to stop threats of aggression, with a "guilty look" that implies a promise that your dog won't do it again. See the Body Language pages for more information.)



Consider crating your dog. Some dogs are more comfortable when confined to a small "den". Make sure your dog can "hold it" for as long as you need him to, and provide plenty of exercise so that his main activity in the crate is sleeping. You might just want to consider leaving your dog in one room (rather than giving him the run of the house), and maybe leaving a radio on and an article of clothing that smells like you in the next room. Warning: Some dogs are a lot less comfortable confined to a crate when alone. Make sure your dog is comfortable and secure.



Consider taking your dog to doggie daycare or to a friend's house (or to work), so that he is not actually alone, while you train your dog to deal with being alone. Remember, dogs are pack animals that want to be with others; being a "lone wolf" can be dangerous in the wild, as well as lonely. Note that for many dogs who have bonded strongly with people, having another dog (or other pet) around will not be sufficient.



If you have serious separation anxiety...



Serious separation anxiety is indicated by a dog who does major property damage (chews holes through walls), injures himself in his anxiety (scratches or rubs paws or nose raw in digging or chewing), or stresses himself to the point of exhaustion during your absence. While stop-gap measures, like keeping the dog with you or with another person, will help while you train, you will need to spend a lot of time teaching this type of dog that he can survive being alone.



Start by making sure your dog is getting enough exercise, including mental exercise (usually satisfied with some training and the chance to interact with other dogs or explore new places). Before you can retrain your dog (and it may take weeks or longer), arrange for the dog to not be alone - get a pet sitter, join a doggy daycare, or leave your dog with a friend who's home all day.



Practice What You Want



Get your dog used to being confined to a pen or room where you will eventually leave him, even when you're home. Give him chew toys or some other interactive toy to occupy himself with while you quietly remain near by and ignore him. If your dog abandons the toy to try to demand your attention, quietly get him interested in the toy again, and quietly praise him for playing with it. Go back to ignoring him for a very brief period, and then intermittently, quietly praise or reward him for it. Practice this quiet confinement for a little while, then quietly open the door or gate and go about your business, allowing the dog to leave that area as well. This will be your dog's "safety zone". Do NOT leave your dog in this area when you must actually leave - for now.



Throughout your time together, do not give in to your dog's demands for your attention. If he comes to you whining, pawing, barking, jumping, jumping into your lap, or rubbing up against your hand, quietly turn away from him (you can stand up a little slowly to softly dump a small dog out of your lap). Wait until your dog is doing something else that is acceptable (not demanding your attention), and then call him over for some attention. Remember, if your dog can get your attention on demand any time you are home, it will be an even sharper contrast when you are gone.



Some research has suggested that if you stop allowing your dog on your lap or your furniture, stop allowing him to sleep in your room, stop giving treats"for free", no longer allow your dog to follow you throughout the house (using doors, baby gates, "stay" commands, etc.) may be vital for some separation anxiety cases. You may want to try a "Nothing In Life is Free" program (see here and here).







Next, pick a day (or two) when you can practice desensitization without having to actually leave - a weekend is a pretty good time to start.



Desensitize Your Dog To Your Getting-Ready-To-Go Cues



Figure out what begins your dog's anxiety. Is it when you put on your work shoes? Brush your hair? Pick up your keys? Find the earliest item in your getting-ready-to-go sequence that makes your dog anxious. Then practice doing that action, over and over again, until your dog is no longer anxious about it. For example, put on your work shoes, then take them off, then put them on again, over and over. You don't need to talk to your dog or do anything else special. Act just like you do every morning when you put on those shoes. When your dog is no longer anxious when you put on your shoes, move to the next step in your normal morning sequence; perhaps brushing your hair. (Note that if your dog's anxiety does not decrease after several repetitions, you are probably not working on the first item in your getting-ready-to-go sequence, and you'll need to back up).



Repeat this exercise several times a day (5-10 times if possible), starting each sequence at a time when the dog is relaxed. Do NOT repeat the exercise if your dog seems MORE anxious when you start, or if he can't settle down in between repetitions, or if he follows and watches you MORE between exercises.



You will have to spend a LOT of time with the early items in your getting-ready-to-go sequence, but as your dog learns to deal with this sort of thing, it will get easier. Opening up the front door (presumably the last item in your getting-ready-to-go sequence) will take fewer repetitions than the first item (putting on work shoes, in this example).



Practice Short-Enough Absences



When you've worked through your whole getting-ready-to-go sequence and your dog is no longer anxious, you're ready for your first absence session. Up to now, your dog with separation anxiety has associated absences with intense anxiety. The dog has to know learn to associate absences with a lack of anxiety, or calmness. You and the dog will practice being apart from each other for very short lengths of time - the time that your dog can handle - and you will gradually practice longer and longer lengths.



So you've gone through your whole getting-ready-to-go sequence, and your dog is not yet anxious (if your dog is anxious, you are not ready to do any absences. Go over repeating the sequence items until your dog is calm about them). Now you're ready for your first very short absence. First you're going to wan to give your dog some signal that this is just a "practice session". This could involve asking the dog to stay in a different area (such as the pen or room you practiced in), leaving a radio on, even spraying a certain scent in the air. This becomes a "practice cue" or a "safety cue".



Walk out the door, shut it behind you, lock it, and then turn around, unlock it, and come back in. Don't make a fuss over the dog. Repeat. When your dog is not anxious, lengthen your absence to 2 seconds. Repeat until your dog is not anxious. Lengthen your absences to 3 seconds, with occasional 1-second absences. Repeat until your dog is not anxious. Continue with this process, gradually increasing the length of time you are gone. Every once in a while practice a shorter session - you don't want the dog to learn that each absence will be longer, as this might make him more anxious. Gradually increase the average length of time of your absence until the dog is alone for longer than your normal absence. (Although some researchers write that two hours is a benchmark, after which the dog may be able to handle significantly longer time.) Yes, that means you will NOT be able to really leave the dog alone in the "safety zone" for longer than you've successfully practiced. Keep your dog in the old place where you had him wait, and/or hire a dog sitter, etc.)



It might help to set up some cues that the dog will not be alone for longer than he can handle, in other words, that this is just a practice session. Do you normally leave the radio or TV on when you're home? If you do, the silence when you're gone is a good indicator that the dog is alone. During this training, set up a cue that says "this is just a practice", such as the sound of the radio or a Mozart CD that you leave on "repeat" on the CD player. When you really do leave, you will continue to play this same cue - the dog will always believe that this is just a practice session.



Note: Some medications, such as the tricyclic antidepressants, buspirone and benzodiazepines (possibly clomipramine hydrochloride, "Clomicalm" or amitryptalline), may help your dog get over his anxiety. These MUST be prescribed by a knowledgeable veterinarian. However, some of these may take a few weeks to take effect, so you will need to make sure the medications are in effect before you try to use them in combination with the desensitization. The medications will not work in the long-term without the desensitization/counter-conditioning work - the process of teaching the dog how to deal with being left alone.



Another thing you might want to consider is a product which is a sort of doggy "plug-in" you can get at Pet Food Express called "Comfort Zone with DAP", which releases a chemical which is supposed to be a dog comforting hormone. It often helps to calm stressed or exited dogs down. See petcomfortzone.com for more information. For some "anxious dogs" it seems to really help take the edge off of their anxiety or intensity. Some suggest that it may be as effective as clomipramine.



Homeopathic remedies like the Bach Flower Essence mix "Rescue Remedy", may also help calm a very anxious dog during training. You should talk to your vet (traditional or holistic) about using these items to help. Visit the Alternative Veterinary Medicine webpage to find a holistic vet near you.



This is an outline of the steps that you must go through to help your dog deal with separation anxiety. The process takes a long time - weeks or months - and you may find that an experienced dog trainer or behaviorist can help the process go more smoothly and more quickly. To find a trainer near you, check www.clickerteachers.net.



To help w/ the neediness around the house teach him the command "go away". Snap your fingers to get his attention then point and tell him to "go away". Take him by the collar and lead him to his bed, or where ever you prefer he to be, put him in down then tell him to stay. This wil take patience and repetition but he'll get it. It's great to prevent begging and nosing you for attention. Also.. make sure when in the house all dogs are in down. Use a hand signal for stay (the stop hand signal). When you get up put your hand up to indicate you want them to stay. It works great w/ my Setter who does the same as your GSD. Any movement and she's right there!



Also.. try these interactive games/puzzles to keep your dogs busy. You might also want to try interactive dvd's while you're gone...

http://www.pet-shop.net/html/active.html

http://thepuppyshop.com/into.html

http://www.westpawdesign.com/catalog/dog-toys/cat_interactive-dog-toys.html

http://www.nationalpetpharmacy.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=267

http://www.amazon.com/IQube-Interactive-Dog-Toy-Development/dp/B000G8GI8Y


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