Question:
all of you who HATE pittbulls read this!?
2007-10-11 13:38:10 UTC
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwI_qlq5vHs
watch this video and tell me how you feel after

READ AFTER WATCHING VIDEO
my brother was attacked by one and i hated them for awhile but i relized one dogs attitude doesnt mean everyone of there attitudes are the same.
also think of it this way if a white man is a murderer or a buglar are you untrusting of every white man you come across? no! so why do we act this way to animals and there are a more likly chance that a man would hurt someone then a dog and there are about 600,000 kiddnappers usually in thier 20-30 in u.s.a I LOOKED IT UP yet we arent afraid of people in that age group yet just b/c there was a couple of accidents with pittbulls MOSTLY b/c they were TRAINED 2 fight yet when most people look at them they turn the other way

tell me your point of veiw but PLEASE watch the video first
Nine answers:
season7780
2007-10-11 14:17:28 UTC
Wow! very sad but unfortunately that's what is happening.

I own three Pit Mixes and I wouldn't want any other dog.

People don't educate themselves and just believe what they hear and read in the media.



There are so many evil people in the world and instead of trying to punish those people idiots spend there time trying to get innocent dogs banned. I just don't get it?



But thanks for posting this. People need to see what a good dog Pits can be when raised right.



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Boston

No dogs have locking jaws. that is a myth
BostonJeffy
2007-10-11 22:22:11 UTC
Pit Bulls are terriers. Terriers are the only dogs that were bred to kill. Some pit bulls, as in any other breed, are more dominant/aggressive than others. Also, as with other breeds, some are fear aggressive. The problem is that they are so strong that when they are aggressive, they can do a lot of damage in a short time.



Jack Russells can be aggressive just like a pit bull. But when a Jack goes after another dog, it's easier to break up the fight than with a dog that weighs 60 or 70 pounds. And a Jack isn't going the snap the back of another dog.



True story - at Jack Russell gatherings (where they have races, etc) they bring a children's wading pool so that when the Jacks fight (and lock their jaws), they simply pick up the dogs and toss them in the pool.



Not all Pit Bulls are overly aggressive. The problem is few people know how to pick a dog that isn't dominant
Jareth's Trousers
2007-10-11 21:09:23 UTC
Even before watching the video I was with you.



I don't think people take into account the strength of a dog if it does bite. If it's big, it's aggressive and bad. If it's small, it was playing or it didn't mean it. Let's say a toy poodle and a pit both bite their owners because their owners scared them accidentally. In the news, you'd hear "pit bull turns on owner" or "pit bull attacks owner." You'd never hear about the poodle, but it's the same thing. One just happens to be stronger so maybe left a bigger mark, but it doesn't mean either one is aggressive.



I hate to see restrictions on "certain breeds" in apartments or even as propositions for townships. Someday, I want a Rottweiler. Everyone thinks they are mindless attacking machines, too. I have never met a bad Rotty. I have not met a bad Pit. The only dog that I ever saw that I was afraid of was a Doberman, but that was only because I knew who owned it, and how he had trained it. It had everything to do with the man holding the leash not what dog was on it. He could have had a kitten on that leash, and I would have crossed the street.
2007-10-11 21:09:12 UTC
I know that I will get flamed for this, but so be it.



I am glad that you have a new found respect for them and that you overcame your fear of them. But it will not change my mind about them. There is a reason why they have the reputation they do.



Do you think this reputation is perpetuated by one person with a vendetta against them? I am happy and hope that your brother that was able to recover from the attack, but not everyone is able to.



On the nightly news here, almost any and every dog attack is documented and the most common, especially most ferocious attacks are done by Pit Bulls that got out of their yards unintentionally by the owners.



And when you talk to almost all of the owners of those Pit Bulls, they all say the same thing. That they have never acted that way before, and the owners are very responsible and the dog comes from a very loving home.



Try to tell that to the victims who will have the scars for the rest of their lives. In fact, in the last 6 months here, two people had lost their lives to Pit Bull attacks. One, a 6 year old little girl playing in her yard, and the other, a 60 some year old man getting his newspaper attacked by 2 of them. Not to mention the several in between of people who have received severe scarring.



True, some owners breed and train their dogs to be fighting dogs, but there's not that big of an underground arena here. So, most of these people simply had them as pets. Even if, let's say 50% of the dog attacks were done by fighting bred dogs, what about the other 50%?



Look, even a killer on death row has his moments of kindness and sorrow, but he is still a killer underneath. I can make documentary of him and have plenty of times when we talked calmly about his life and what he had done. But all it takes is that one time I asked him the wrong question and he snaps.



It's not that those dogs are evil by nature, and that other dogs don't have the ability to attack people. But, just as the little documentary posted about the aggression of the other dogs in comparison: Of all those dogs, which would you rather be attacked by? I'll take being attacked by the Cocker Spaniel over the Pit Bull any day. It's about ferociousness and severity of the potential attack.



I love the way Lion Cubs look, but I'd never want to own one.



And, if a person chooses to own a Pit Bull (and hopefully this never happens and the dog and family lead a loving, caring, violent-free life) and it attacks someone, the owner should be punished just as if the owner themselves had attacked someone.
Young
2007-10-11 21:01:31 UTC
I agree that a pitbull is only as mean as its trained to be but still have reservations about owning one because of what they are capable of doing to a human being.I also believe that anyone who trains this type of dog to fight should be jailed. The ones that kill these dogs for losing a fight should be beaten till near death!
John M
2007-10-11 21:00:47 UTC
any one pitbull can have wonderful traits and not be a danger. the problem with the breed is that it was developed to be a fighting dog, and its tendencies are such that it poses a greater danger, on average, than other breeds.



Its not the dogs fault, it can't help it was born a pitbull. the problem is people who feel that its okay to introduce a dog that was bred to fight into a domestic society, where the dog can get loose and respond instinctively and harm people, especially children. its a matter of the odds of a problem. there is no legitimate purpose for having a pittbull in a residential neighborhood that outweighs the increased risk over other breeds that can accomplish the same purpose adequately.



If you want household protection, there are breeds that are intimidating and very trainable for that purpose, but far less likely to snap and exact the kind of damage a pitbull is bred to do when its primal instincts are triggered.



Its very common for people to cite a specific instance that doesn't match a statistical probability and then try to argue that the statistic is not correct. but obviously, if the odds of a pitbull attacking a child are less than 100% you are going to be able to point to a pitbull that lived to a ripe old age and never attacked a child. that doesn't mean the statistics are wrong. It just means that particular dog was in the "never attacks a child" side of the equation.



If you could accurately predict at a young age, which dogs will attack and which ones won't, then you could improve the safety of the breed by segregating out the attack prone dogs within the breed. But I am not aware of any research that suggests you can effectively predict that with sufficient accuracy to reduce the risk to below that of the other breeds.



Rottweilers and Pittbulls have documented incidents of serious injuries to humans that far outnumber the next breeds on a ranked list. The next breed is Huskies, but the insurance industry has drawn the line above huskies but below Rottweilers, in terms of which dogs are covered for liability for attacks under regular insurance policies.



Insurance companies are delighted to take your premium dollars if you do not pose a greater risk, on average, than someone else. So rest assured, they wouldn't refuse your premium dollar unless they had the data to back it up.



Please do not breed Pitbulls and do not bring them into residential neighborhoods. They do not belong around children, and the people who own them and introduce them are going to be facing greater and greater scruitiny of their efforts to control and monitor their dogs. Eventually you will be required to be licensed and post a bond to own that dog in a residential area. It just serves no good purpose to have dogs bred for fighting in a community of humans who cannot adequately defend themselves from an attack, no matter how unlikely, if other breeds meet the needs of the owner at far less risk to others.
Loogie's Mom
2007-10-11 20:52:46 UTC
aww i cried.

i love pitbulls! they're amazing dogs. but they get all the bad stories against them.

apparently in a newspaper a few years ago, there was a huge story of a pitbull attacking a kid who didn't even provoke it and they called for it to be killed and blah blah.

a week later, there was a small retraction in the corner of the paper saying that it was actually a german sheppard and not a pit but because people are so ignorant, they automatically think "pitbull"



a lot of dogs are dangerous. i got bitten by a dalmation when i was young. i've had 2 jack russells and they're dolls to me but yet, ive heard of them fighting and biting people. it's all in the owner's way of teaching them.

the pictures in the video of the dogs with the babies, that's amazing!

anyway, in conclusion, i love pitbulls.
:)
2007-10-11 20:45:45 UTC
of course any dog could attach a person if he is trained to, pittbulls had the bad reputation just because (they look scary) and when they bite they close the mouth and their jaws get lock!!! on the effort to get their jaws unlock they move their head all over and rip and tear whatever they are lock in to.
nkbapbt
2007-10-11 20:47:52 UTC
Good for you for looking into the breed instead of going on just believing the media lies and myths that constantly circulate around this greatly misunderstood breed.



I own one myself, and shes the safest, kindest most gentle dog I have ever owned. She saved my life from a Rottie attack at 6 months. Not by attacked the other dog either, just by putting herself between me and the dog who was mauling my leg. She ended up getting picked up and shaken violently by the Rottie. But wasnt hurt. I however got 300 stitches in my leg.



I dont dislike Rotties because of it, I know it was 100% the owners fault. He knew what kind of dog he had, it wasnt the first time the dog did that.



You should also check out the link I posted below for more information about the breed...Real information not more lies and myths.





And to the person who posted above me...that is the NUMBER ONE biggest MYTH about the breed. NO dogs jaws lock. Pit bulls are simply stronger than most other breeds, however they do NOT have locking jaws.





Monster Myths



Who's afraid of the Big Bad Pit Bulls? Well, LOTS of people no thanks in part to some very damaging myths, the deeds of unscrupulous breeders/owners and the hyped up media coverage that has been plaguing this breed for years. So many untruths and half-truths have been repeated so many times that the general public has begun to believe fairy tales instead of fact. Its enough to make a bullydog supporter want to SCREAM!



myth (mith) n. 1.an invented story, fictitious person, etc. 2.a belief or set of beliefs, often unproven or false, that have accrued around a person, phenomena or institution.



Aren't Pit Bulls MEAN and VICIOUS?



No more vicious than golden retrievers, beagles or other popular dogs! In a recent study of 122 dog breeds by the American Temperament Testing Society (ATTS), pit bulls achieved a passing rate of 83.9%. That's as good or better than beagles ... 78.2%, and golden retrievers ... 83.2%. How did your favorite breed do? See for yourself: ATTS.org

In the ATTS test, a dog is put through a series of confrontational situations. Any sign of panic or aggression leads to failure of the test. The achievement of pit bulls in this study disproves once and for all the old tired belief that pit bulls are inherently aggressive to people.



Like any breed of dog, a healthy pit bull that is properly raised will remain loving and friendly. In the past 20 years, we've seen some sad examples of poorly bred and badly treated dogs that are the byproducts of irresponsible 'backyard breeders' and cruel and abusive homes. These improperly raised, unsocialized creatures can show temperaments far removed from the traditional authentic pit bull. Don't confuse these unfortunate misbreds with the huge majority of well-loved dogs in this country that remain solid in temperament, affectionate, trustworthy and friendly to their dying day.



Don't Pit Bulls have LOCKING JAWS?

No. A pit bull's ability to "lock on" with it's jaws is one WHOPPER of a myth that refuses to let go! The jaws of a pit bull are built just as any other dog's jaw. There's no 'enzyme', no special mechanism that would make a pitbull's jaws 'lock'. They're DOGS, not alligators! What a pit bull does have is strength, tenacity, and determination. When he grasps something he wants to hang onto, his willpower is the glue.



Don't pit bulls have to be TRAINED TO FIGHT?

NO! Pit bulls are terriers, and terriers tend to be scrappy with other animals if unsocialized, poorly managed or otherwise left to their own devices. Just as farmers have used Jack Russell Terriers to do battle with badgers, foxes and other animals, unscrupulous people have exploited the terrier drive in pit bulls against other dogs for 'entertainment' purposes. Like many breeds, pit bulls can run the gamut from very dog aggressive to exceptionally dog friendly, but each dog shares some potential to fight other dogs if mismanaged. Avoiding dog fights involves understanding terrier traits and basic canine behavior in general. More info:

# Dog-Tolerance Levels: Dog/Dog

# Living well with: Multi Dogs

# Socializing your pit bull: Socializing

A properly socialized, well managed pit bull should never have to get into a dogfight, because he's accustomed to the presence of other dogs and - IMPORTANT! - he has a smart and responsible owner willing to keep him safe from situations that could invite the unhappy possibility of a scuffle.



Right: The old engraving above shows a hunter setting his 'pit bull type' dog on a fox.





Doesn't forcing a pit bull to HANG from a tree branch make him aggressive?

No. Tugging at a tree branch is FUN for a pit bull (but it's not good for his teeth!). Many bull breeds show an inbred desire to grasp and hold -- a leftover trait from the days when they worked on farms and used as 'Butcher's Dogs' to grab onto the noses of bulls (i.e. "Take the bull by the nose"). This natural work drive shows up today in an enthusiastic desire to play Tug-o-War and to grab onto hanging objects like tree branches, ropes, etc. Many responsible pit bull owners provide safely designed 'Spring Poles' for their dog's enjoyment and to allow them to burn off steam while excercising this natural ability. The result is a calmer happier, better exercised dog. For info on how to build one for your bully, visit: Jessup's Working Pit Bull Site



Aren't TREADMILLS used to get dogs ready to fight?

Many responsible owners utilize treadmills to help get their dogs in tip top shape in places where extreme weather prevents outdoor exercise, or in situations where its impractical to exercise a pit bull off leash. Folks who show their bullies in conformation rings or work them in dog sports such as weight pull find this tool an invaluable way to better condition their K9 athlete. Because pit bulls are high energy animals with hardy, athletic builds, responsibly using a treadmill can help them be healthier happier dogs. For info, vist: Colby's Famous Mills



Will a pit bull that shows aggression towards other animals go after PEOPLE NEXT?

No. Aggression towards other animals and human aggression are two totally different things. We've heard this frightened quote, "He went after a dog (or cat) and our kids might be next!". This is one big MONSTER of a myth that has generated a host of damaging anti-pit bull hysteria. It is perfectly 'normal' for a pit bull to be wonderfully affectionate and friendly with people, while at the same time not 100% trustworthy around other dogs. Like any breed of dog that we see in family homes today, a properly raised, well socialized, responsibly owned pit bull should never be human aggressive. Pit bulls that do show truly aggressive behavior towards humans are not typical of the breed and in some cases, should be humanely euthanized.



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Don't SCARS on a pit bull always mean that he "has been fought"?

No. Many dogs that show up with scars in local shelters are assumed to "have been fought" and are given an automatic death sentence. In many cases, this may be an unfair judgment call. A pit bull can show up with scars for many different reasons. They're bold, active creatures and can get into all sorts of adventures (and misadventures). He may have been a stray on the streets and scrapped with other stray dogs without any prompting from an irresponsible owner. He may have started those fights, or tried like hec to avoid them, or anything in between. He may be an active dog that ran through brambles on a hike with his owner, tumbled with a cat, nosed in too close to a wild urban animal such as a raccoon, or cut himself while trying to dig out of a poorly secured yard. He may have developed a skin condition known as mange, which frequently causes suspicious looking scars. Use caution, but don't assume that a pit bull with scars was necessarily encouraged to fight by irresponsible owners.



Should adopters avoid pit bulls with UNKNOWN HISTORIES and unknown lineage?

BAD RAP believes that a pit bull with an unknown history should be judged by his temperament, not by his unknown past or lack of papers. Putting a rescued pit bull through many different kinds of "tests" in many different situations and fostering him in a home setting helps us learn about the ins and outs of each pit bull we take in. Becoming well acquainted with a rescued animal helps to match each dog to the home best suited for his personality.



Should adopters be wary of RESCUED ADULTS and stick with rescued pups?

We prefer taking rescued adult pit bulls into our home over rescued pups. Pups are a LOT more work. Its also much harder to know what the personality of a pup is going to be like as a mature adult (really energetic or mellow? dog-aggressive or dog tolerant?). If you're looking to adopt a pit bull puppy from us, don't be suprised if we try to talk you into a young adult instead.



Is it better to get a PIT BULL MIX to "water down" the potential dog-dog aggression?

Not necessarily. We've known many wonderful pit mixes, but some can show just as much dog-dog aggression as full breeds. As a rule, full breed pit bulls tend to show more stable temperaments than pit mixes. This is because the other breed may be bringing undesirable traits to the dog's make up. Mixing a pit bull with a guarding breed for example, can make for a sketchier temperament.



Should DOG AGGRESSIVE pit bulls be euthanized?

Since we know that dog aggression does not equate with human aggression, we believe dog aggressive pit bulls with wonderful people-loving personalities deserve the same opportunity to enjoy life as more dog tolerant pit bulls. Pit bulls are highly trainable, and even the more dog aggressive individuals can be RESPONSIBLY MANAGED by their smart and loving owners so there never has to be concern of a tussle.



Is a small animal that shows up with bite marks 'Pit Bull BAIT' ?

While we hate that there are people who would abuse animals, we aren't convinced that many of the so-called 'bait animals' that show up on the 6 o'clock news are correctly labeled as such. Life on the streets is TOUGH and when a stray dog shows up with bite marks from another dog, we know that that animal got into a scrap somewhere along the way. Whether that stray received its injuries from voluntarily entering fights with dogs on the streets for meager food scraps, etc., from being ganged up on by other loose strays, or from the purposeful abuse by a cruel person is anybody's guess. Unless there's a witness to the cause of injury, mysterious bite marks remain an unhappy mystery with an unknown perpetrater. *To shout "bait dog" whenever a dog with bites appears keeps a popular myth alive and may actually be encouraging copycat crimes by offering animal abusers ideas we would rather they didn't have!



Are pit bulls unpredictable around CHILDREN?

Pit bulls have enjoyed a long history as favorite children's companions and family pets. When well socialized and properly raised, they're the perfect breed to tolerate the rough and tumble play that kids can dish out. Pit bulls tend to be drawn to the joyful optimism of children and love to meet them with tails awaggin'! Some APBTs may not be suitable with young children because they could knock them down in their exhuberance. Common sense dictates that children should be taught how to properly interact with dogs (of EVERY breed) and should never be left alone with a dog unsupervised.

Have you seen this wonderful site yet? Kids and Pit Bulls



Don't all pit bulls want to chase CATS?

Self-respecting dogs of every breed will go after cats, and pit bulls are no exception. However, there are endless examples of pit bulls that exhibit a lower prey drive and co-exist quite peacefully with cats, birds and other pets. Within BAD RAP there are members whose dogs are great with their family kitties, birds, rabbits, and ferrets...And there are also some dogs who can never be trusted with smaller animals.


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