Why are people rude on here?

Question

Why are people rude on here?

Answer 1

I am a breeder.



I got started in the way I recommend - I learned about it long *before* I started actually breeding. I started with showing my dogs, training them, learning about dogs, talking to breeders, joining clubs, attending seminars, networking, reading, reading, reading...



It took me 11 years from the time I started until I had my first litter on the ground. AND I had an experienced breeder with me the first time I delivered a litter.



EDIT: We are "rude" (aka tell it like it is) because ignorance on the part of undeducated, unprepared "breeders" causes the suffering and deaths of many b*tches and puppies. We don't like to see it happen. If my rantings stop anyone at all from going off willy-nilly and breeding their dogs, it's worth it.



EDIT: >>>My husband and I don't show our dogs but we know a lot about the breed. But if I had something that never happened to me before and I asked it would I get attacked?<<<



It would depend on the question you asked. And how you asked it.



Honestly, if I were in trouble Answers is the LAST place I'd look for help. Depending on the subject, I'd consult my vet, or my fellow breeders, or other trainers (if a training issue), or other groomers (if a grooming issue)....you get the picture. This is the value of building a network of knowledgable people over time. You learn these things and meet these people while you are researching and building your knowledge.



BTW - even though I have never bred or even owned a boxer, I'd bet I know more about them than 99.9% of the people who come here asking questions about breeding them.



EDIT: >>>I am talking about the people who are asking about these things before they breed not after.<<<



Well, generally if someone comes on with a question indicating that they'd like to be a responsible breeder and they'd like to know how to get started, we give them the best answer we can. We actually like to ENCOURAGE responsible breeders.



But usually they come on with something like "I have two puppies, when can I breed them?" That's when we have to say "Whoa!" When they're starting with a question like that, they're already rushing in before they're ready. And it's highly unlikely that the two puppies they have are suitable for breeding at all, much less that they're the perfect match for each other. They need to fix those animals, do their research and start over.

Answer 2

By 'getting started' with mixed breed or sub-quality dogs they ARE making mistakes! I notice not one of these people asks questions about hip dysplasia or cherry eye or luxating patellas or venereal disease, or corneal degeneration- they all want to know about color, about size, about how many pups, and most important to them, about how much money they can make!



If you think these are the traits of a good breeder just 'getting started', then you are as bad as the people doing the production of these sub-standard pups!



Here's my advice to people who want to do this properly:

(I say this so often I should just have it programmed)



Go to a show and meet a few breeders of the breed you want to work with. Learn the proper breed standard and how to show a dog to completion. Learn all about the health risks associated with this particular breed and how to properly health screen potential mates. Draw up a good contract and be prepared to enforce it. Do not breed anything that hasn't been proven. Otherwise, spay/neuter and make sure that your pet quality pups must be spayed/neutered.



You got a problem with this? Am I too logical for you yet? If I am, then perhaps you should be the one asking where your values are- not mine.



The truth is not 'cute.' The truth is RUDE.



EDIT: Yes, the truth is RUDE- 5 MILLION animals being euthanized in the US every year is a RUDE fact. I just wish it would cause a RUDE awakening!

Answer 3

Probably because those of us who have seen the tragic results of these "first time breeders" in kill shelters are sick to our stomachs when another one asks how to add to the pet overpopulation for fun and profit.

Answer 4

Even the first time, a reputable breeder would have done a HUGE amount of research and spoken with experienced breeders well in advance of actually breeding. We often get questions on here after the female is already pregnant, or worse, giving birth, that a breeder should have known long ago. These are questions that would have been addressed in even the most basic of books about dog breeding. If someone is asking total strangers basic questions after their dog is already pregnant, it shows irresponsibility and ignorance on their part.

Answer 5

I think Howldine summed it up pretty accurately.



Most people here don't try to be intentionally rude. Yes, some do, but most don't. We all have one thing in common -LOVE FOR DOGS.



This comes out differently. For those of us who work in shelters, it's frustrating. Howldine said it and I won't repeat it.



For experienced reputable breeders, I believe they get frustrated as well. They did their homework, paid their dues and are doing "right" by their dogs. (Read what Bassetnut said - she certainly knows what she's doing).



It's hard to see the same question 3 or 4 DOZEN times a day about someone who doesn't know the first thing about breeding.



Should we be more polite - yes. We all should. You too... your question was somewhat combativie... but I'm not offended.



But sometimes answering in an electronic format makes us appear more blunt... but we are also passionate about the same message(and have to repeat it over and over and over on a variety of topics):



*Educate yourself first - Then breed if necessary.



*Call your vet.



*Do your homework.



If the truth upsets you, then I'm sorry. Then don't ask a bunch of strangers for advice. Most of them have their hearts in the right place anyway.



If you can't see that, I can't help you.



EDIT:

I agree with Howldine again. Truth=RUDE.

If you have ever had to look into a dog's eyes as you killed it because your shelter didn't have space any more, you'd agree with me.



*I have.

*I have nightmares about it.

****I'm sick of cleaning up after people who breed and people who dump their dogs.

****That is the truth. I can barely stand to volunteer those days. I have to kill those dogs and people like me. I have to make the decision of who we save and who we don't.

*****That is the Truth and the truth is horrifying.



EDIT 2: You blame the SHELTERS? How on earth is any of this the fault of the shelters? I'm going to VOMIT. And I'm not saying anything else because I'm losing my temper and am going to say something rude...



On second thought... I am so completely offended by your statement I can't see straight.



You lady have your head completely buried in the sand. Enjoy whatever delusions you have about shelters and who is to blame for the pet over population problem.



I can care less about what you've done in your life. You asked a question and you got answers. You want to know why people are rude? It's because people like you who are too incredibly short sighted to even have a clue as to how they negatively impact the world.

Answer 6

The problem is that these people are breeding first and asking questions later. Total reverse of the way it should be. Then, they get upset when people tell them they should have researched first, before ever attempting to breed.



I consider anyone who breeds first and asks questions later a backyard breeder. I consider anyone mixing breeds for sale/profit intentionally a byb.



These people should have done their homework before ever thinking of breeding.

Answer 7

People get upset not for asking for advice, but because most people who ask for that advice are clearly not people who ought to be breeding. Yes, everyone is somewhat inexperienced with breeding when they start. But when you get questions like "Hi, I bought a dog from a pet store and now I want to breed it to make money, so what do I do?" or worse yet, "My dog is in labor and we don't know what to do, we didn't take her to a vet so we don't know how many puppies there are" ... It makes you mad, especially if you're in the industry and you know how much work REAL reputable breeders do as far carefully choosing their bloodlines, researching the breed they work with until they know every little thing about that breed, studying genetics to see how to get the results they want, health screening their animals, showing them to their championships, working them in the field or agility ring, choosing the perfect stud, spending thousands of dollars on vet care, food, and other care for the female, screening potential families for the pups... Breeding isn't just a fast-cash scheme, which so many people on here seem to think, nor a 'fun' pasttime that you should do with whatever random pet-quality dog you might have on hand, nor a contest to see who can breed the weirdest looking mongrel. I've never seen anyone on here ask a question about breeding that they ought to be asking on a random message board full of strangers. With dogs dying in shelters everyday, why should we support these wanna-be backyard breeders who are just in it for the money? I am not a breeder, I am a groomer, but I have worked closely with all kinds of dog-related people including those who bred and showed their dogs. And I would never be so stupid as to breed dogs haphazardly and then have to run to a Q&A board to find out what the heck I was doing. I think that a lot of people on here may not be breeders, but they are smart enough to tell when someone is being an irresponsible breeder judging by the question they ask on here. And like I said, I see no reason why anybody should give them support when they are risking dog's lives, overpopulating the world with substandard or mongrel dogs, and just generally being stupid and greedy. If someone asked a legitimate question, after doing research and simply not being able to find an answer, and it didn't start out "My dog is in labor..." I think they would get plenty of helpful and civil answers. As for the rest of them, maybe a few harsh words will help them see they're hurting the animals with what they're doing, and if we can stop even one backyard breeder on here, I'll put up with any amount of criticism to do it.

Answer 8

My family Bred and showed Rotts for many years and a mentor is always very important. Sounds like you do have one (your grandmother) What you have to understand is most of these people post things, get 14 answers to the question and they pick the one answer that everyone gave a thumbs down to just to suit what they wanted to hear. I will post an example in a moment.



Alot of people on here also have posted the question many, many times to wait for the answer they wanted.



It is not that they ask for help or need to know answers but it is the lack of understanding that they take from the answers they get. One girl posted a question asking what heat to breed her dog in and 99% of the people that answered said a responsible breeder waits until the dog is at least 2 years old. One person said the second heat and had many thumbs down. Which one was she asking more about the one who said the second heat beacuse it suited her!! You see what I mean



I have never seen one of these beginner breeders asking what test need to be done before I breed my female or male, never once. All they care about is how long before I have babies, how long will my dog be pregnant. Yesturday a girl posted that they wanted to know how many more time to breed the female they had already been breeding her every other day 4 times!! This is a health risk to the female!!! REsearch should have been done first!! then she would not have had to ask this question!!!



If people would research and not just buy two dogs and put them together then people on here would not be so mean but it just dose not happen that way

Answer 9

because irresponsible breeders are a little diff than uneducated breeders. Granted both can be bad.

Irresponsible breeders choose not to listen and choose to do things their own way.

uneducated breeders are just inexperienced.

there are both here.

(i am in NO way at all taking up for either though, i believe in spay/neutering!)

Answer 10

If you are going to breed dogs you should be getting your information from other breeders or people who are showing their dogs the best place would be the person you bought your foundation stock from. As these are people who have experience about doing it right.

If someone has to ask how to breed a dog or about heat cycles or about how long the gestation period is it is a pretty likley chance they do not have enough information to be doing what they are doing. They should be working closely with a mentor getting all the info they needs from someone they know and who can give it to them hands on.

Or working with a breeder who is involved with their breed club. I have gotten advice from breeder across the country but they are ones who are involved with my breed club people who are now running well respected kenels.

People here can give good information. But are not a subsitute for knowledge from reputable breeders or vets.



I would try to help someone with out being rude. Many people just have simple questions and if my advice would help one person or one dog that would make my day. I try not to be rude to people as many here could be children or young people who are just asking. Sometimes people come off over the computer as rude when they are not meaning to be and sometimes they are just rude and well some people are just rude.

Answer 11

You have stated things that ALWAYS run through my head when I see these high and mighty "perfect" breeders bashing on the weak.



You're absolutely correct to state we're all inexperienced to start out with, and if being inexperienced = back yard breeding, then EVERY breeder, reputable or not, was, or is a back yard breeder.



No matter what anyone says, even the most "perfect" breeders SHOULD have questions. If they do not, they are blind to their own inperfections, and those are the type of people that shouldn't be breeding.



To an above answerer, maybe these people aren't asking about hip dysplasia, and such, because they already DID that research, now all that's left are the "last minute jitters" questions they have. How do you know everyone's circumstances enough to judge them!?!



I myself have been called a backyard breeder myself, but I have breed ONE litter my entire life, and I bred these two dogs because they are high quality, and a good standard of the original intention of the breed, not some of the curs people are breeding today. I screened buyers, had purchasers sign contracts, and check up on the puppies on a regular basis. Both parents are/were in excellent healthy, and always have been. Now, if this is backyard breeding, then I guess I'll be a BYB proudly.



I agree with you on the how sickening it is at the audacity to insult people when they ask questions on here, ... This is a question forum, is it not? Isn't this where people go to learn things they don't already know?!?! I think I should be able to ask a question and not be pummeled for it. However, the anonymity of the internet has definately brough on a decay of society. Until people's ethics go back up, I fear it will always be this way.

Answer 12

I don't attack, I encourage people to do research & to breed responsibly. It does make me angry when I see questions like "Can I breed my Chihuahua to my Maltipoo". I'm a breeder, I started by learning & helping my grandma with her Poms for years. She took me to my first dog show & I feel in love with Yorkshire Terriers. I did have a mentor for a longtime, I still call her once in awhile with a question. I've never have hear anyone calling themselves a puppymill. Most breeders get slammed reputable or not. People really need to look at breeders as individuals, breeding practices & animal husbandry before judging. My sister is a BYB, she has asked me if could give her phone # to people that wants to Chihuahua puppies. I won't help her , she does no genetic testing & breeds her bitches til their uterus falls out. I would never buy a puppy from her or anyone else that breeds just for a fast buck ! I was asked by two different people "If I run a puppymill". On the bright side the same people that asked the "puppymill" question bought puppies from me after visiting my dogs & I.

Answer 13

I dont think people are generally rude it is just that they feel very strongly about the whole issue around breeding.Some people come onto the site and ask questions like when can I let my pups go, what should I feed them, when should they get fed, etc.If your knowledge is so limited then you should not contemplate breeding before gaining a good undertsanding of the issues and responsabilities of breeding a litter.Most breeders are breeding to improve their stock,and the breed in general and can therefore get upset when people appear to indiscriminately breed without a true understanding of genetics and breed traits..Responsible breeders endorse their pups and only support the breeding of stock that has the appropriate checks carried out and thus ensure the proposed breeder is informed, supported and empowered to improve the breed..

Answer 14

You're right that truth doesn't equal rude. And sometimes I am. After I've read the 100th question of the day on questions people should have know long before the dog whelped...UGH. I understand about not knowing, but when you don't know, and know you don't know, wth wouldn't you go out and get the information you need so you're prepared? I don't get it. But at the same time I get really upset because people think they love dogs..they really do. They breed from either an emotional I-love-dogs- outlook or an money making scheme. Some may think they have the best of intentions, but the truth is every single puppy brought into the world hurts dogs in general. You can't ignore the facts, and the fact is dogs are dying every day for lack of homes. Some people have those facts in their mind and get pretty emotional over it because if people would just STOP then innocent animals wouldn't have to die. Think about it....

Answer 15

I don't really care if people ask breeding questions as long as they are something unusual not a common breeding question. I think many people on here breed without doing any research at all then are worried about things going wrong. If people take the time to research BEFORE their dog is pregnant and get the parents tested for diseases then I don't have a problem with them asking questions that come up along the way.

Answer 16

people r rude to first time breeders on here because they should have studied breeding and should know everything about the dogs they r breeding. most people on here just went out and bought a dog and then bred it without a clue as to what they were doing. its because of these people that there is so much over population in shelters. many of them r into breeding for the money or just want to have puppies in the house. thats not the way it works. u should only breed to better the breed. not to make money (which is almost impossible) or just to have puppies. people r rude because the breeders should already know what they should do in those situations. even if they r first time breeders they arent prepared enough. again if u dont know what to do in an emergency when ur breeding then u shouldnt breed.

Answer 17

Thank you, Bassetnut, for spelling out the difference between a reputable breeder and someone who just brings another litter of puppies into the world.

Ladybug, how many "breeders" have you seen on YA whose questions begin something like "my dog is pregnant, now what?"

Responsible breeders know the answer before the dog is bred! Just because your dog is cute or pretty or does 16 tricks does not make it a good breeding candidate. Those of us who spend years studying dogs and our breed in particular are eternally frustrated by those of you who think they are entitled to do what they want with their dogs regardless of quality. They breed without genetic health clearances, and they breed inferior specimens, often for only one reason: money. When the animals they have produced end up in shelters, they do not see it as their problem, nor can they accept that their dog is responsible for the problems of the puppies.

I've spent many hours fighting the animal rights groups who would like nothing better than to see all pet ownership banned. They base their accusations on people who go out, breed their dogs, and then abandon the pups and their new owners. When an owner of one of your pups calls to report a problem, be it health or behavior, are you knowledgeable enough to help them? Are you willing to take the dog back, or at least help find a new home? Can you make referrals to the types of help they might need? And after all that, if your dog produces puppies that are ill or that people can't live with easily, do you still continue to breed that dog?

Far too many people are ignorant when it comes to dogs and breeding. Far too many are in it for the wrong reasons. When you have devoted most of your life to working with dogs, it becomes painful to see so many who don't care enough about their pets to do what is best for the animal. If you're not willing to learn beforehand, you shouldn't be breeding. Spay or neuter your pet. Leave the breeding to those whose primary concern is the best interest of the animal and those who will live with them.

Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the place to start is not with breeding your dog, it's in acquiring the knowledge with which to breed responsibly.

Answer 18

We have been breeding dogs for over 50 years. BUT,, even 50 years ago we never whelped a litter without the advice and supervision of a mentor. Even now we still don't breed without the input from others that are knowledgeable.



What most of us are trying to express is that most of the time dog breeding is taken way to lightly with little or no regard for the consequences.



My personal observation is that many want to become a "dog breeder" with no goals in mind of WHY they want to breed dogs. So my advice is and has always been that a person should first develop a dog related interest, and then breed to satisfy the needs of that interest. My primary reason for breeding has always been that I refuse to hunt over a dog that can't do the job. The way to prove that a dog can do the job is to get out and train it. We have a lot of dogs here that have excelled in the show ring, but point blank, if it won't hunt, it won't breed!!

Answer 19

I'm most definitely not a breeder by any means, but yes, there are some people on here that are very rude. I admit, sometimes I will jump to conclusions before hearing the whole story, BUT there are SO many people that come on here that just want to breed Fido and Fluffy together to make cute little puppies for their own selfish reasons. If people really want to breed, they should learn as much as they possibly can on their own and realize that there's so much more to breeding than it seems. Most of the people who ask a breeding question aren't here for advice on what they should be doing. They're looking for an answer that tells them it's okay to breed their pet quality dog when they don't even know the first thing about breeding. People will ask if it's good to breed their dog the first heat cycle. Are those the kinds of people that should be breeding? Absolutely not. It shows they have not made any effort to do any research and most likely won't make an effort to breed properly. A good breeder will do years of research, meet with lots of other breeders, understand the breed they wish to produce, and understand all the basics of breeding a healthy litter. People on here have the right to tell them they are wrong because they are. Are you going to say you support breeding Mr. Golden Retriever and Mrs. Poodle together to make cute little "hypo-allergenic" mutt puppies to sell for thousands of dollars when you can purchase a show-quality and very healthy dog for that amount? There are far too many dogs and puppies sitting in shelters to be supporting these irresponsible breeding practices. Unless they're willing to make a huge effort in improving the breed and learning everything they possibly can, they shouldn't be breeding. As people who love dogs and hate to see them suffer, we want to educate people. Sometimes "attacking" them is the only way to get them to see the bigger picture.

Answer 20

I've answered questions and pointed people in the right direction - getting a mentor, going to shows, becoming a sponge for the breed's information. Some people are genuinely curious, and I respect that. They asked something like "I'm interested in breeding" but without their dog in heat THAT MOMENT, or worse, when the dog's in labor or the puppies are dying.



I blame people for pet overpopulation - people should be honest with themselves before they get dogs and should make the commitment for a lifetime. I've made that mistake before myself, and it's not something I'm proud of. People shouldn't buy on impulse, and no seller of dogs should allow such a person to buy. It's hard, but I think it can be done. These mixes, whether for looks or temperament, are unnecessary. Millions of PET QUALITY dogs die in shelters. They have amazing temperaments and are adorable. If I can help one person find his or her perfect dog in a shelter dog, that's all I need. I know I've found the perfect dog in the shelters twice - my parents' Aussie mix and my mutt are two of the best dogs I could ever dream of.



You know what really angers me? The people who say "my dog is cute" and think it should be bred. I used to have a picture of my dog as my picture on here - it's on my 360 account. SHE'S ADORABLE. I get compliments all the time. You know what else? She's great with kids, other dogs, and cats (if they like to be chased). She's a wonderful dog. You know how I know this? I'm her guardian. Of course she's perfect to me! But if I called up a reputable breeder and said "Hey, want to breed your purebred to my mutt?" they wouldn't do it. She's a great dog, sure, but she's a mutt. Even if she weren't spayed, she wasn't meant to have puppies.



Different people have different ways of conveying the truth. Some are more frank than others. Some come across as rude. But often people take a grain of niceness and say "oh, isn't this person nice, they'd rather have me spay my girl, but they said she's a great pet, so I'll breed her." I've seen it happen.

Answer 21

The problem arises when they ask question about breeding mixed breeds, they don't educate themselves prior to getting the dog, they don't take responsibility for their pups, and when they ask questions like "how much money can I sell my dogs puppies for" which shows they are more concerned with money than the health of their dog. People get so sensitive when people point out their irresponsibility. It's not that they are being rude it's that they are being firm and to the point and not sugar coating things. Dog breeding requires a lot of research, responsibility, and money. It's not a business it's a passion that unless you are going to devote yourself to better the breed you shouldn't do it. Plus, most of us work or volunteer in shelters and see first hand the effects that backyard breeding and puppy mills create and we will certainly not give advice that is against our ethics. These people may have good intentions but they may not have the knowledge needed to make an informed ethical decision. Some people are just flat out irresponsible and shouldn't breed such as those breeding Snoodles Pit Bulls, and Cock-a-poo's. I'm sorry if being brutally honest sounds mean to you but I'm not going to lie to anyone just to make them feel better.

Answer 22

Listen, the people on here are just sick of seeing dogs die just so people can have a cute little puppy from a pet store, or a person who decides to breed their dogs to make money when the reality is that they are being bred with a HOST of genetic problems that the breeders do nothing to prevent.



Example. I got my dog from a shelter when she was just a baby. Yes, she is a mixed "designer dog." But let me tell you... she is NEUROTIC - barks at EVERYTHING is spooked by things that DONT MOVE and she was diagnosed with luxating patellas when she was 8 MONTHS OLD! Do you know what that means? Me spending $200 a year on meds... then, when she starts showing pain, even more money on pain meds, and then, she will need surgery on BOTH knees (already told by vets that it is HIGHLY LIKELY she will need it) which will cost me $1,000-$2,000 PER KNEE!



Now, the money is not a problem. What makes me mad is that she has something that is genetic... and when dogs have this condition, THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BRED!!!! Someone decided to do it anyways, and now my poor pup has to suffer because of it.

Answer 23

OHMIGOD BCUZ THEY R MEANNN!!11!!11!!!



It's the truth, breeding when you don't even know how long a ***** will be pregnent for is stupid. Most people say the truth and do not insult in any way. You can't bend the truth so the asker feels good about themselfs. Breeding for the wrong reasons is BAD. THE ONLY ONES THAT SUFFER ARE THE DOGS - that can't be stressed enough, because back yard breeders obviously musn't care about their pets. Nobody is going to sugar coat it.

And I don't know much about boxers, I only know 2. But if I ever get one (and I've considered it in the past) I'd do alot more research than I have done.

Answer 24

I have standard answers I give to "I wanna breed my dog". One gives exact steps to how to be a RESPONSIBLE breeder, and then I have two gender-specific ones which ask WHY you want to breed your dog. If that's rude, then someone has entirely too thin a skin to be breeding, because it'll hurt your feelings a lot more when you lose a *****, or a whole litter, or BOTH. It's not all happy happy, joy joy, cute little puppies with pretty bows going to wonderful new homes. It's much more often this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4630182195637750564&q=euthanasia+shelter&total=30&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

If you are offended by what the majority of people think of what you are doing, STOP DOING IT!



How did *I* get started? When I was five years old, and fell in love with a Shetland sheepdog next door. I read aobut them and attended shows, and corresponded with any person who had any verifiable knowledge who would tolerate me, LONG before I got one, or bred a litter. I knew about gestation, parturition, postpartum care, and potential problems to watch for in whelping by the time I was 12. Didn't breed a litter of ANYTHING until I was over 30.



What gives me a right to tell someone they are wrong? When they come on here telling us they aren't going to take any advice that they don't want to hear, and we rude M-Fr's better just tell them how to f-ing do it, or we're getting reported. Now DON'T tell me you haven't seen just such trash here.



And you now what else gives me the right? Three years of walking down rows of sweet dogs who look at me adoringly, just begging for a pet, as I decide which ones die today to make room for tomorrow's crop of bad mistakes made by people who ask "My yorkidachsahuahua got stuck to my friend's goldlaskan maltriever. What do we call the puppies, and how much can we get for them? And no rude answers cause we're gonna do it cause it's America so f-you." Years of being called in the middle of the night to assist on an emergency c-section because someone just like the above example doesn't know why her little female is all wet in back, and has been trying to poop for two days, but she doesn't poop, and now she smells, and is lying there limp and exhausted. The person who brought that one in thought she'd just lay down and the pups would come squirting out. Lost the dam, and the whole litter on that one. She was 13 months old. I think I earned MY say. My goal is to protect the dogs, and teach anyone interested in learning where they can learn what they need to know. I don't call anyone names. If they can relate to the unpleasant titles and object to being labeled as such, they need to STOP fitting the description!

Answer 25

Okay...so you know a lot about your breed?



What's the OFA scores on your dogs?



How much white on the coat of a Boxer is acceptable, without being faulted or disqualified?



What ONE characteristic is mentioned in the Boxer breed standard that is never mentioned in any other breeds' standard?





....Responsible breeders start out breeding with a mentor. A mentor in the dog world. They learn as much as they can LONG before attempting to breed, with their mentor. Responsible= not having to ask questions on the internet last-minute because you didn't do your homework.



Oh, and sorry to pop the bubble of the user who ignorantly stated "because they're afraid of competition" -thanks, but NEVER in my life have I EVER bred a dog. Okay? Good. Now that we understand, I suggest you become a little more educated before you spew out ignorant remarks. How about going to your local animal shelter and watchinng them euthanize a few perfectly good backyard bred dogs?

Answer 26

perhaps if you worked in a kill shelter for awhile & had to kill lots of perfectly nice, healthy dogs & puppies everyday because of byb's you would understand. THAT gives me the right



we are killing 8 million pets every year, most of them to make space for more, cleaning up after irresponsible breeders who sell puppies to unqualified buyers who have no business having a dog at all much less a puppy. don't require neutering, training or do not take their dogs back for life.



you don't start breeding & then ask the questions - you do it just as bassetnut described.

Answer 27

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Answer 28

I agree with Bassetnut 100%. Learn BEFORE, not DURING breeding.The world already has too many unwanted dogs that were the result of an "oops, I'll get it right the next time.." breeding. If people need to be "rude" to get that point across, than so be it.

Answer 29

No No No. You are simply looking at it from the wrong angle. When you learned how to drive, what did you have to do? Well, you had to have your mom and dad take you out, maybe you had to take driver's ed (we did in 10th grade). Then you had to prove that you knew something before you were simply turned loose to drive around!



What about if you want ot go horseback riding? Well, someone had to show you how to put the tack on, someone had to show you how to actually get on top of a 1200 pound animal, someone had to teach you how to get the horse to listen to you.



What about cooking? You have to read cookbooks, you can't just throw cinnamin and cardamom and curry together on a chicken and expect your friends and family to eat it. You can't tie leeks together with blue string (I learned that from Bridget Jones), you have to read directions, follow directions. If you want lemon zest that doesn't mean throwing the whole lemon in the pot.



What about this - you want to be the next Picasso. You have to take a buttload of art classes, go to seminars, listen and learn from the best, be trained, have someone critique you.



It's the same with breeding - IF - you want to do it the right way. IF you want to better the breed, make sure that your puppies don't come out with bad hips and elbows, you need to do testing, they need to "pass" those tests. You need to know how to assess temperments (beyond my puppy wuppy is so cutsie wootsie and loves to give me kissess wisses). You need to know conformation, you don't want to end up with ugly dogs that no one wants. You need a mentor, you need to be with someone and participate in breeding, what to look for to make sure neither dog gets hurt, you need to participate with someone who knows what they are doing and help with whelping litters so you can see where things go wrong. You should take doggy and puppy emergency aid classes. You should read read read books before breeding.



So yes - most first time breeders make it seem like it's easy as pie - and then they realize that oops I didn't really know waht in the world I was doing someone help me before my ***** and puppies die. When if they only would have studied and worked and prepared, they NEVER would be on YA asking questions - no way - no how.



I have my masters in chemistry - you think if I have a research question about cataract formation I am going to come on here? No way. I go find a real honest living person - an expert and have a conversation with them.



Make sense??

Answer 30

Someone who comes on Yahoo Answers and hasn't studied ANYTHING ... hasn't read anything... has no mentor... is PROBABLY a Back Yard Breeder.



There is a HUGE amount of good information on the internet about what you need to learn to become a reputable breeder. It's EASY to find. Anyone who hasn't researched THAT ... hasn't talked to the breeder they bought their pup from... hasn't talked to their vet... and just suddenly comes to Yahoo Answers to say, GEE... my dog has a GREAT personality, I think I should breed my dog... is a FLAKE and will be an irresponsible breeder... That description will fit 99.9% of all those who have made NO EFFORT to learn ANYTHING BEFORE coming to Yahoo Answers...



THAT is why people are rude to them...

If you've done your research...

If you've talked to the breeder you bought your dog from for advice

If you've looked for a mentor

If you've talked to your vet...

- - it's your responsibility to tells us some of what you've done so we know you're one of the serious, responsible people who will become good breeders... and not just another irresponsible flake.



I'm a responsible dog / cat owner. I neutered all of mine...

cause I'm not going to breed them... and I won't let them breed irresponsibly or indescriminately...



I don't have to know boxers to know that anyone who's studied nothing, made NO actions to learn how to be a responsible breeder, should NOT be here asking us to tell them how to breed their dog!



Addendum: Now you say you blame the shelters!!! I won't waste time emailing you to find out what delusions led you to also blame the shelters. You're head's screwed on backwards or upside down.



I live in a rural area. All the people who say "How dare you tell me I have to neuter my dog (cat)"... or "I want to breed my dog cause it's so cute (or good tempered)... and don't read up on anything, but just jump in and say "what's the soonest my dog comes into heat so I can breed her" or "my dog's so neat, I want to breed it" ... THEY are the ones who come out here to the country and DUMP their dogs either pregnant, or dump the pups and/or mom as soon as the litter is born. We have dozens of dogs dumped in just our one small community every month because of irresponsible, thoughtless breeding. I have lost patience with these thoughtless people and don't feel much need to be "polite" any more. I try... but it's hard to be polite when I know they'll just dump the puppies they don't sell on my driveway!

Answer 31

I actually think very few are rude. Some like myself have spent year rescuing cats and dogs in shelters so it can get a little tedious to say the least at times when people keep asking the same things over and over. Things they should have learned before they even introduced their dog to the opposite sex let alone bred them. I know myself and several others have sat here in tears when someone who did not know anything about breeding has described a dog that is obviously in major trouble whelping saying they won;t take the dog to the vet because they can;t afford it even if it's life is at stake. Those who's dogs are well into a pregnancy many due to give birth who asks how long a dog is pregnant for or how do they know it's in labour. Come on even if it was an accidental pregnancy you owe it to the animal to research pregnancy and welping right from the minute you know puppies are a possibility and you are not willing to do an emergency spay.



No one is born knowing how to breed, but if you do it the right way the way you seem to have you have a mentor. Yours being your grandparents. You don;t just let it happen then when it's too late figure out things may go wrong that may actually cost you money which often seems the case. You don;t go breeding brothers and sisters. You don;t just let any old 2 dogs breed.



I admit I know little about the breeding process, but I do know enough you should not take on such a thing without some sort of knowledge behind you.



I would never breed for any reason, because I'm too soft and could never let the puppies go. I do support those who do it right though. If it were not for an excellnt breeder I would not have my own 4 wonderful companions now. I can;t support all of this so called "designer" breeding though or those who breed "Labradoodlerotties" and "Goldendobiepits" and the like. Sadly each and every day many thousands of these are killed all over the world. Why bring even more into the world.



If you breed to better the breed that's one thing, but not to try and just just the animals as money making projects the way some people do. What other reason can there be when you don;t want to spend any money on doing it right, but are right there to ask how much those puppies will be worth when you sell them?



I do agree a very few people are downright rude and should be ignored, but there are many who are just tired of trying to educate and be truly helpful. They are frustrated at spending time trying to help people do it right only to be told that the one person maybe ona thread who actually agreed with some pretty nasty ideas were the ones with the best answer.



I myself now only answer the questions of those whom I truly belive want helping and not to just have their own misguided ideas confirmed as being correct. I truly do care about the people, but most of all the animals as do most of those who tend to get a little passionate about their replies.



Oh and Boxers... I know nothing about them nor do I need to. I have never owned one and would certainly never try to breed one. I have no plans to own one either, but my chosen breed the Chihuahua I did research before I even started to look for a breeder. 4 years into Chihuahua ownership and 4 lovely speciamins later I'm still learning. I'm happy to share what I do know and I'm open to learn from others who most certainly know more. To me that's what YA is all about. Listening and learning. For many it seems they just want their idea's confirmed however misguided they may be. I'll still be there to try and help pick up the pieces if I can. I don;t know it all nor do I profess to (No one here does and that's a fact) but I do what I can. Just sometimes reality is not always what the asker wants to hear. I know I have only ever been rude once and that wa when the asker was terribly rude to many people who were trying to save her dogs life by offering phone numbers for pet care credit cards etc. People took the time to do what she could not be bothered to do. Instead she just called us all losers and liars. I just prayed her story was not true as there is no way that dog or her pups could ever have lived through what she described without a vets attention.



Edit: Those who ask before they breed I tell them to find a mentor close at hand who can be there for them in person. To teach them about genetic testing, breeding and all the stages of pregancy and welping. Those who want to breed the "Labradoodlerotties" I ignore as they will do it whatever and I don;t have the right knowledge to help them anyway. As I said before I support doing it right.

Answer 32

I totally agree with you.



But I also understand the other people. I'm relatively new here, but I already understand how frustrating it can get for people to keep attempting to breed low-quality, puppy-mill dogs again and again.



Another big difference: You know that you don't know a lot. You have a good person to consult. A lot of these people don't have a clue what they don't know, they're putting their dogs in danger in their ignorance, and have no mentor to consult in times of grave need.



Thanks.

Answer 33

Its not that we are rude. Its that we hate back yard breeders. There are too many breeds that have been ruined by people like you, such as Labs, Poodles, German Sherpards, and Smooth Fox Cocks

Answer 34

Because.....if everyone with AKC registered dogs starts breeding, then the price of THEIR dogs will go down. Supply and demand, that's all it is. Fu**ing simple, mindless greed. Why should people pay the $$ for AKC registered dogs if they aren't able to breed them? If it's such a distinguished bloodline that you're paying for, why can't you reap the benefits if the dog grows up healthy and strong?



Myself, I REFUSE to buy into this AKC crap in the first place. When it's time to find a dog (if a stray doesn't adopt me first), I go to the pound or find an ad in the paper of the breed I want, go check out the dog and that's that. If they have a good temperment, are playful, look healthy and have a black roof in their mouth (old-timers way of telling a good dog from birth), I take them. Simple as that.



The ONLY argument I support in favor of not breeding your dog is the fact that so many are euthanized all across the country everyday. In my opinion, the damned AKC should be required by law to send 75% of their profits to animal shelters.

Answer 35

For profit breeders, backyard breeders, and puppymillers ARE the scum of the world. They are disreputable, irresponsible, and unethical.



Same with dog fighters, porn traffickers, and child abusers.



That's not being rude -- it's stating a FACT.

Answer 36

I think the main reason people are rude to new breeders or new co-workers or just rude in general is because it makes them feel smart, makes them feel better about themselves. so there probally lacking inteligence in other areas and go through life feeling dumb all the time or insecure,, so they try and turn it around on other people. Really we all need advice in some areas of our lives and anyone who he is a decent person would not attack, exspecialy since some day they may be new something and will need advice as well. That is just my opinion

Answer 37

Very sorry,but you will have to just look over the rude people on here.I would suggest that they're possibly afraid of competition,or just know it alls and love to show their mentality.I've been a breeder for 11 years and received my experience with dogs from my deceased Father,who was also a dog breeder.Believe me during my 11 years,I've run into many who own dogs themself ,breed them,but don't like it when others do the same.This site is suppose to be helpful for those few people who are trying to help their animals and everyone doesn't have the money to see a vet,I try to answer a question to the best of my ability and help people in stead of being rude to them.Sorry for all the rude ones,as they're the ones that need help.

Answer 38

they are the scum of the world. because of breeders, innocent animals in shelters die.

Answer 39

Wow, THANK YOU for posting this. I completely agree with you. I simply asked for pictures of a certain mix of a dog because my mom was thinking about breeding them, because the mix would have the PERFECT temperment, but instead of receiving links to pics, I got attacked like heck. It really hurt my feelings because all I was asking for were pictures.



Later on, I asked how old dogs are recommended to be in order to breed. My mother will be the one breeding, not me, and she already knows the answer.. She is just at work and I wanted to ask on yahoo answers out of curiosity. Most of the posts I got were very mean, stating that I should not breed if I have to ask that question. Well where the heck can you get information and advice from if everyone is going to criticize you? In order to even learn about it WAY AHEAD OF TIME, you have to ask somebody.. Or atleast that is probably the best thing to do.. But what if all they do is criticize you then too?



I'm sorry you have had to go through the same thing. I think people who get on yahoo answers to criticize people have to get a life. I admire the people who will actually answer posts with a sense of respect and kindness - people who are actually there to give people advice instead of just criticizing them saying that they should not even breed at all. That is pure bs. I understand that a lot of people are protective of dogs and care a lot about them; I do too. I just do not believe that anyone has the right to treat people like us who ask the questions we ask like we are enemies, like you said, "the scum of the world". I think it is a shame that so many breeders in the past did such a horrible job that everyone thinks that first time breeders will just start a puppy mill; I know that my mom treats all of our dogs like family members and would do the same with our puppies if we had any.



People that criticize others - Please get all the facts straight before you even dare say something mean, because I know that most of the criticism I got was completely wrong and the people who criticized me had all of their facts WRONG, because they did not know all of the details.



Once again I'm so sorry this happened to you too! :(



NOW FOR BOXER INFO! :) Boxers are absolutely beautiful. They were first bred in Germany and are decents of an extinct breed called the Bullenbeisser. They are also related to mastiffs and bulldogs which were brought from England.



The heads of Boxers are rather large and when bred, the heads should be in perfect proportion to the bodies, and should not be too light. Boxers are often seen with underbites, which is actually a good thing when breeding (Don't ask me why haha). In breeding, cropped ears used to be a plus, but now the AKC breed standard includes uncropped ears. The tails should not be undocked, however.



Boxers usually way no more than 70lbs (32 kg), and are normally either brindle or fawn, and usually have white bellies and white paws. Boxers with 1/3 of their bodies covered in white are not rare (it is good to watch out if you have a boxer that has a lot of white because they are prone to developing melanoma -skin cancer- and deafness because of missing color pigmentation in their ears).



Boxers are very energetic and playful, and usually need a fenced yard to run and exercise in. It is good to train boxers when they are young because of their rather stubborn personality. It is best if the owners of boxers are experienced - boxers are both "headstrong" and physically strong. They are very active, loyal, and they make excellent watch dogs. Many policemen actually use boxers because of their loyalty, alertness and their protectiveness. They also make great messenger dogs, therapy dogs, and guide dogs for the blind. Sometimes they have even been seen herding sheep! :D haha



Boxers have a very long puppyhood and adesolence - usually a total of 2-3 years, so therefore it is best to wait that long to breed them (atleast with the females). Boxers are usually good with smaller dogs but can be rather dominant around other dogs around the same size as boxers, or larger. Boxers are normally not very aggressive, but honestly they sometimes have a rough time getting used to other dogs and animals. Be careful introducing a cat to a boxer, haha. I must admit that having a partner or friend for a boxer is excellent, and if you don't, make sure you spend a lot of time with it. They LOVE companionship, and if they become lonely it can affect their temperments negatively.



Boxers usually live to be in between 10-12 years old, but ofcourse lots of exercise and a good diet may allow them to live even longer.



GOOD LUCK!!! :) And I hope no one else criticises you! :)

Answer 40

that's a good question.. i don't know how people can claim to be so good with animals when they don't even have basic people skills.

Answer 41

People think they are better then others. I go along with what Help said.

Answer 42

well people are stupid and just want free points or they think but they are not true i do agree with you. the boxer breed is very confusing but if you know about then you know a lot about it

Answer 43

way too many dogs and cats now..

why breed more.. all they do is use up resources and poop everywhere

Answer 44

It's cause everyone thinks that there answer is the best, or that they know best. Don't listen to everything that people have to say. Sometimes it's a load of crap, other are extremely helpful and for that I am grateful!

Answer 45

Just ignor them.......



Talk to experience breeders. Get the first had knowledge from someone who breeds

Answer 46

It's the anonymity!

Answer 47

I totally agree with you. You are right to say that we are all inexperianced at one point! It is not fair for them to yell at us. Don't be afraid to ask a question, because there is someone out there that wants to help :] Have a nice day. -Audrina

Answer 48

i have a shiba inu he is the besssstttt!!!

Answer 49

i hate everyone

Answer 50

Thank you! =]

Answer 51

not sure i guess there just mean