Question:
Do you think that you really have to be your dogs "alpha?"?
?
2010-11-19 08:34:59 UTC
I've heard trainers all the time saying that in order to get your dog to obey you, you need to become their alpha and can't allow them to think themselves the alpha dog. But how could that apply to humans? My dog listens to me very well, he is closest to me, I'm the one who trained him. I would think my dad would be considered his alpha because he's pretty controlling, but he's always listened to me better than anyone else. So do you think you really need to become the alpha dog for them to listen to you?
Nineteen answers:
?
2010-11-19 08:45:56 UTC
If they listen to you, you are the alpha. You sound like me and my husband. We have very few rules, but those we have, our animals know enough to listen. For example, Tiffany likes to sleep with her head on my husband's pillow. When he tells her to move, she'll scoot over an inch or so and close her eyes. The next command my husband gives her is Off and she does it.



You don't have to throw a dog to the ground and pin it to make him know you are in charge.



To answer your question, yes, someone has to be in charge, and since you're paying the bills, it's you. Just like your parents (if you are a teenager) are your alpha, or if you're an adult, your employer is in charge and has the right to tell you what to do.
eharri3
2010-11-19 17:06:12 UTC
Alfa doesn't mean you have a controlling personality. It means that through taking the time to teach them that you provide essentials and approval in exchange for good behavior, they develop a desire to please you and get your approval. If you don't take that slot they will. Hence all the requests on here for help with dogs that claim territory in the house and greet anyone who invades it with bared teeth and growling. Or who make intimidating gestures towards household members. They weren't taught to submit and work for anything. They get it all for free without submitting first. That's a dog who has claimed alfa status and said 'I'm not waiting patiently for anything. Its mine, give it to me. I own this, back off."



The concept of humans and dogs being partners is retarded and anybody who claims its possible doesn't know what they're talking about. This is an animal which, when properly trained, will be expected to do what YOU ask, as soon as YOU ask it, consistently and without resistance. Since when do we define that as equal partnership? If that's what we define as equal partnership, someone please do me a favor and let my wife know that?



If the dog is being walked and they try to pull you towards the distractions, they are LEADING you, telling you where they want to go next and trying to make you. If the dog gets in your face to demand attention, affection, make you hand over food and treats faster, whatever, they are LEADING you, taking the alfa position because they have been taught that if they act out and make it known that they want something you will comply and YOU will do what THEY want. All dog training methods are centered around teaching the dog that THEY must exhibit behavior YOU find acceptable, and THEY will be rewarded by YOU in return. All dog training is centered around teaching the dog the the very nature of the relationship means their obedience and calmness comes first, the rewards come after.



Just because you dislike old school terminology doesn't mean the concept should change. If that were the case there should be instances where you do a trick and then the dog rewards you by making you a sandwich.



People who raise children treating them like they are their equal often end up producing adolescents and adults who are unfamiliar with the concept of respect, boundaries, and discipline. No difference here.
Marna O
2010-11-19 16:55:14 UTC
No.



I do not think of "my" being the alpha. I think of "alpha" as a dog in a pack. I am not a dog. My dog is not a person.



However. My dog lives in "people" life, in a "people" home. I am the person, and it is my job to train my dog how to live in such. I am the trainer, hence I am the one who must be obeyed.



Very simple.



And.... re: the above "he is closest to me, I'm the one who trained him. I would think my dad would be considered his alpha because he's pretty controlling, but he's always listened to me better"



Bingo! You've got it!!! Usually a dog's #1 person is the one who has trained the dog. Training builds a bond of understanding and mutual respect.



Being the "alpha" or "boss" has nothing to do with "being controlling", being a "tyrant", or being "macho".
fladabosco
2010-11-19 16:42:01 UTC
Dogs want to have or to be a strong leader. Who do you want leading thing, a human or a dog?



Your dog will pretty much obey anyone who gives them a command they understand but to live safely they must think of you as a strong leader. If the dog thinks it is the leader and it sees a squirrel on a freeway it is going to leap onto the freeway. If it thinks you are the alpha it might look up for permission first.
?
2010-11-19 16:57:23 UTC
I think a dog should always have an alpha or pack leader. When a dog is separated from its mother and litter mates it adopts its human family as its "pack." Its easy enough to figure out as the dog always wants to be around you and will even compete for attention at times. When we first got our Jack Russell he attempted to be the pack leader at our home. He would pee in the floor while staring at us, attempted mounting behavior, and couldn't be forced to show his belly to us in the "submissive" position. I worked with him for a few weeks and he has stopped all of this behavior. I never used force or aggression but consistent behavior for praise and reprimand. Jack Russells are one of the most stubborn breeds and he will still act up from time to time. I look at him much like a child. If you raise a child with love and respect they will do what you say most of the time but can still get in trouble on occasionn.
Anne
2010-11-19 16:42:56 UTC
I think that dominance in domesticated dogs is really, really blown out of proportion. Many trainers think that domesticated dogs got rid of the need to have an "alpha" and the whole pack mentality. I've never tried to be the alpha with my dog- I believe that through training your dog learns to respect you without all the silly alpha rituals that so many "trainers" advocate.



Your dog listened better to you because you trained him. It's the silly mentality that because your dad is the "man of the house" that your dog should somehow have the natural instinct to obey him that gets me really flustered with the dominance theory. People make the mistake of believing that 1) dogs act and behave exactly like wolves with regard to the pack mentality and 2) that dogs are stupid enough to think that humans are dogs.



I think a well trained dog should listen to all the members of it's family, and respect them all. Your dog is a dog and you are its humans, not it's pack members.
?
2010-11-19 16:43:50 UTC
Dogs don't think like people.



You're dad's behavior may make him the Alpha n your eyes, but it doesn't make him the Alpha in your dog's eyes.



A dog's Alpha is person person that gives (and has the power to take away) FOOD, AFFECTION, PLAY and COMFORT. You are probably the person controlling these things.
?
2010-11-19 16:41:05 UTC
Being an "alpha" is more than just controlling. Do you show your dog discipline when it misbehaves? Do you reward it when it behaves? These are also aspects of the so called "Alpha."
Loki
2010-11-19 18:05:03 UTC
yes



otherwise your dog will never listen to anything you say



he must either respect you as the alpha, (the boss) of he will gladly take the role and expect you to obey him
dhmcconniel
2010-11-19 16:54:36 UTC
I think you have a poor perception of what Alpha means.



How is what you're describing not alpha behavior?
blah b
2010-11-19 16:40:20 UTC
Your dog sees you as her alpha. It's very important that they respect you and know that YOU are in charge.
tiffany
2010-11-19 16:44:17 UTC
I say yes. All it means is that your showing your dog who's boss. In all situations. It means you retain the control. Imagine a toddler who has no one to guide them..chaos. Same idea goes here. You and your dog will be better off when there's a clear leader. We take the place of the puppy's mother. She helps keep her pups in line, you just continue to help him know his boundaries. It strengthens your bond, he trust and relies on you, but you can still have a tremendous amount of fun! :)
Sally B
2010-11-19 16:37:34 UTC
Dogs bond with their care giver. If you are the one who takes care of his/her needs then you are his pack leader. Be consistent with praise and use a stern NO! when there's inappropriate behavior. But being consistent is the key.
Professor Julai
2010-11-19 17:00:22 UTC
Considering the fact that dogs are JUVENILE wolves, I'd say strong leader figure is a much better term.
Alicia
2010-11-19 17:07:41 UTC
I really love this quote by Victoria Schade.



"Alpha. I shudder at the word. To me, alpha is the dirtiest concept in dog training. It reeks of everything I despise in old-school training. Be the alpha dog, the master. Make your dog obey. The problem I have with the alpha concept -- aside from the punishing training techniques required -- is that there's no sense of partnership between dog and human in the alpha school of thought."



I believe that training should be fun for both the trainer and the dog. Those "authoritative" tones that many people use with their dogs to get them to "obey" can be used in other ways. For example, if an adventurous dog happened to get off of its leash and started running around, an owner who yells and screams at her to come really doesn't accomplish anything. It also teaches the dog that coming when called takes the fun away (i.e., the dog is running around and having fun instead of having to walk at a slow, boring pace matched with her person when she was on her leash.), therefore the dog won't have a reliable "come." However, if the owner uses an excited tone of voice, and keeps an "emergency" toy (i.e., a squeaky toy) with her when she's out walking her dog, showing the dog that it's more fun coming when called rather than running around is much more successful in my opinion. I never use "authoritative" tones with my German Shepherd. I always use excited tones. Having fun is the main key in successful dog training.



When a dog disobeys their person, it doesn't neccessarily mean that he's "trying to be the alpha." It means that his person didn't properly train him and "set him up for successful." When a dog has behavior issues, that doesn't neccessarily mean that he's "trying to be the alpha", either. It means that his person didn't do something right with his training or simply didn't train him correctly to prevent the behavior from happening.



I like how people assume their dog is "trying to be the alpha dog" when their dog has food aggression. Dogs have food aggression because their person didn't prevent them from having food aggression. People can prevent food aggression in dogs by starting out when they're puppies by demonstrating different ways to put treats in their food bowls while the puppy is eating, i.e., coming up behind the puppy and dropping a treat into his bowl, walking by and dropping a treat into his bowl, etc.





I'm editing my post in response to Eharri3's:



Like I said about dogs who have food aggression, when dogs claim territory in the house or make intimidating gestures toward household members doesn't mean that the dog is trying to be "the alpha." It means that their owner didn't teach them what was right and to be respectful. For example, if a dog claims a couch and reacts aggressively whenever someone tries to sit on it, it's because their owner didn't prevent this from happening. It has nothing to do with getting the dog to "submit." I'd like to know your definition of "getting a dog to submit." A dog owner can prevent this from happening by starting out when the dog is a puppy, and teaching the dog to ask permission to get on the couch. When my German Shepherd wants up on the couch, I didn't teach him that it was okay to just jump up there. He asks permission first by sitting politely and waiting for me to tell him that it's okay to get up there. The same goes with the rest of the furniture in the house. Also, when a dog who makes intimidating gestures to household family members, it doesn't mean that "he's trying to be the alpha." It means that this behavior was more than likely encouraged when he was a puppy because whoever owns the dog thought it was "cute" or "funny." In fact, a cousin of mine used to have a Rottweiler who would aggressively bark or growl whenever someone entered or went near his bedroom. This was because my cousin thought it was "funny" when the dog first started this behavior (the dog first started this behavior because he was encouraged by my cousin who would say "get her" whenever his mom would come into his bedroom), and even used to encourage it further by actually praising the dog because he wanted his parents to stay out of his room. Well, he didn't think it was "funny" anymore when the dog bit his mother when she was putting laundry in his room and he wasn't home. Then, right away, it was considered as "the dog's fault" and he was given away. Dogs, unlike humans, come without mistakes, and the blame lies with the owner as a result of their training or handling.



Well, whenever I'm teaching my dog a new trick, I consider us as a "team." Whenever I take my German Shepherd to hospitals or nursing homes (he's a certified Therapy Dog), I consider us as a "team." Whenever I take him to an agility trial, I consider us as a "team." Also, any Search and Rescue dog handler or K9 Police officer will tell you that it's "teamwork." Everyone has their own disparate way of looking as things. This is my way. Period.
anonymous
2010-11-19 16:50:58 UTC
I'm HUMAN...therefor automatically Alpha *&* OMEGA! The arbiter of life & death.

Instantly & permanently.
?
2010-11-19 16:38:03 UTC
YES. For sure my dog she wont listen to anyone unless she respects them. Most peoples dogs are like that...
emily
2010-11-19 16:38:44 UTC
uh.. duh.



whoever feeds the dog is usually the person the dog considers to be the leader (if they consider anyone to be a leader at all) also whoever walks them.



you are your dogs leader from the sounds of what you are saying.

if you weren't your dog would be more stuborn and be more likely to test your patience.
anonymous
2010-11-19 16:35:54 UTC
NO...


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