Why is their so much opposition to creating new breeds?

Question

Why is their so much opposition to creating new breeds?

Answer 1

Because we don't need any new breeds. Breeds started from people in various places deciding they wanted their next puppy to be good at hunting or something, so they would breed two dogs that were best at hunting, and pick the pup that seemed the best candidate. And then they would get more specific until actual breeds formed.

However, the dogs we have now are usually companion animals, and super specific traits aren't as necessary. The breeds that exist create more than enough variety for people to select a breed with traits they like.



Also, a good breed is usually incredibly old, as creating a consistent breed with the exact qualities you are looking for takes a LONG time. Rottweilers are about a thousand years old, I believe. It also takes a lot of trial and error to create a new breed. To get a large but specific enough gene pool, you would have to make hundreds of puppies to even get close to a specific new breed, and with overpopulation being such a problem, is it really right to make so many puppies that aren't going to be desirable, as they are not thoroughbred (as most these puppies would be from other breeds, failed attempts at getting closer to the breed you wanted to create)?



It would be pretty selfish to create a new breed just for the heck of it, and add so many unwanted puppies into the already over-populated canine group. I can't think of any reason why any new breed would need to be created, and I can't imagine someone with enough knowledge of breeding would ever be wanting to try, so it would probably only be inexperience quacks trying. A layperson should NEVER EVER attempt to breed dogs. Birthing, culling, whelping, all these things take an incredible amount of knowledge and expertise, which is why many responsible citizens hate BYBs (Backyard Breeders) so much.

Answer 2

I'm not opposed to new breeds, but the vast majority of people developing these breeds have no idea what they're doing and only want to make money. They don't keep the right records and usually don't have a set goal in mind.

Bullies are not recognized by most reputable kennel clubs because there aren't records to show exactly which dogs were used to develop the breed and not all of them breed true.

There's really no point in creating new breeds. There are different breeds because they performed certain duties well in certain areas. You'll be hard pressed to develop a better sled dog than a husky or a better tracking dig than a bloodhound. Unless you can do that, there's no point.

Answer 3

the AmBully was recognized simply to make idiots stop registering their dogs as APBT or AmStaff. Its still not a legitimate breed. Its still 100% a horribly bred mutt. The status as a 'breed' under ONE kennel club does not make it 100% a breed.

Answer 4

Creating NEW breeds. The ancestors of all our dogs were wolves, so how on earth would making a dog who looked like a wolf be a new breed?



Don't give up your day job!

Answer 5

Nobody is opposed to creating new breeds. What we're opposed to is breeding 2 different breeds together and giving the results a "cutesy" designer name as if it were in fact a real breed, for no purpose other than to scam gullible people out of lots of $$$.

Answer 6

No one is opposed to new breeds, what we good pet owners and reputable breeds are opposed to is BYB's who breed different breeds, slap on the cutsey designer names, and scam people into thinking they're worth money when they aren't. That's what people are opposed to. Especially with the amount of mutts already in shelters that need homes.

Answer 7

It's not creating new breeds that's the problem, it's the unscrupulous breeders who don't breed for a purpose that's the problem.

Answer 8

I don't know why a responsible breeding program to create a new breed would have such a backlash.

Answer 9

I have NO PROBLEM with creating new breeds - American Hairless Terrier, Alaskan Klee Klai, Miniature American Shepherd, White Swiss Shepherd, Biewer Terrier, etc. If you have a new niche or job for dogs, then I am in all in favor of you working with other breeders and developing a true-breeding, distinct population of animals that meet your needs. Go for it!



However, if you are talking about the "yorkipomalabraboxabullajuggadoodledoos" then I have a problem precisely because these *are not new breeds* they are not defined by traits but by BEING MONGRELS of the same breeds, they do not "breed true", and they are unpredictable. Because they are unpredictable - which 70% of this litter of "Goldendoodles" will shed? You can't place them in appropriate homes and many will end up being homed and rehomed and dumped and dead in shelters. 50-70% of Poodle mixes shed, most Pug mixes have breathing problems, temperaments are all over the board as are physical types to the point where many dogs have just the "wrong" combination and are even unsound.



I don't have a problem with owning mutts, but I have a problem with breeding ANY dogs when you KNOW (or should know) that you will be producing many dogs that have less than decent odds at a great life - dogs with the spindly legs of the Poodle and heavier body of the Schnauzer that will have arthritis by age 5, dogs with the profusely shedding undercoat of the Golden and the tight curl of the Poodle that will end up with constant pain from hot-spots and matting, dogs with the energy and drive of the Beagle to go-go-go and the breathing apparatus of the sedentary Pug that will end up with heat stroke repeatedly.



PLEASE go make an actual new breed! But please don't call it a "breed" until/unless it actually is one. And please go about breed development ethically - not selling first (or fifth!) generation mongrels as something "rare" and "special" with some perfect combination of magical traits at inflated prices to the uneducated public. Place your "pet qualities" carefully and be willing to take them back for life, and please don't breed at all unless you are actually confident you are making progress toward litters where more and more pups have better and better odds of predictability, health, etc.



ADD: The UKC used to be reputable, but it is rather common knowledge that their bully-breed registering is suspect at best - falsified pedigrees of dogs that are clearly most something other than the purported breed, etc. The "American Bully" I have issue with because they can't walk. Even the English Bulldog has a better claim to soundness! Also, they are supposedly all derived from "purebred APBTs" or some such happy fiction, when it is rather clear that there is Bulldog and a few kinds of Mastiff in there - it bugs me that the breed are mutants and that they are based on lies! As for the Utonagan, my impression from researching the Tamaskan and related breeds makes me have a problem with their breed "club" and breeders, who all appear to be dysfunctional drama queens who left the Tamaskan folks in a huff when the latter worked to impose some basic ethical breeding guidelines - they have several small, clique-ish breed "societies" and "clubs" that don't talk to each other or agree on anything! I would love to see that breed come to fruition, but I can't find any evidence it is moving toward a standard or a stud book or seeking recognition anywhere.



ADD: Please give the citation for your statement: "scientifically speaking it only takes four generations of consistent breeding to create a purebreed [sic]". Having bred poultry (ducks) I can tell you that it often takes more than 4 generations of breeding within a breed, with no crosses, to just get COLOR genetics "set" and breeding true. There are still Labradors born with tan points and/or brindling even though those colors came from crosses 100-200 years ago and have been bred-out as much as possible since!

Answer 10

Kind of agree with last post, but what possibly quality would you not find the the ones we have today? What more do you need? X SOME have created monsters but thats not by biology thats by pure error of human ability. Start by changing people

Answer 11

I dont see the point in creating new breeds when there are hundreds of recognized breeds, countless other un-recognized breeds, and thousands of mixes and even mutts..

Answer 12

Why do people post anonymously when they ask flame-baiting questions?