Question:
My Dog is very sick her name is Phoebe, I took her to the vet today and they said they can't do anything?
Dan B
2009-08-25 00:58:38 UTC
1 week ago she started urinating on the floor and drinking excessive amounts of water, we knew something was wrong it lasted for a few days and then all the sudden she was fine acting her normal self and went about her daily routine then yesterday it started again so we took her to the vet to see what was wrong. At first the vet said her teeth are healthy she has great skin color a nice coat and everything seemed to check out she was steering toward a uterus infection/problem of some sort I was extremely happy at that moment she asked questions like has she been in heat and things in that range, she then said they needed to do a blood and urine sample to make sure we agreed and 30 minutes later she came out and said I am sorry to tell you your dog has diabetes and her pancreas shut down do to the diagnostics on the test I would say that it has been a very long time since it did, she then proceeded to say that her organs are shutting down and that she was very sorry there is nothing they can do other then put her down, I am crying so bad right now I can barley see to type I love her so much I saved her from a cruel environment when she was a puppy and a few months later with a battle with parvo and although she is a mutt she is the best girl we have ever had and we have tons of memories over the last 11 years some bad mostly all great though at this moment she is laying on a mattress dieing, we brought her home to say goodbye she has met alot of friends in 11yrs including the four cats one who grew up as a kitten with her. I have read everything there is to read on type 1 diabetes in dogs and it clearly states these are signs you notice well in advance to it be life threatening the frequent drinking and urinating are the first signs she just did them last week for the first time. So my question is how is she in the vomiting, lethargic and inevitably nothing we can do death stage already? Is this vet crazy? should I take her to another vet? Is there a stage that's to far to help them? Please I need help I can't breathe or think anymore I don't know what to do I don't want to lose my Phoebe.
Eleven answers:
Voelven
2009-08-25 01:26:41 UTC
I'm so sorry to hear about your dog.



Sometimes the symptoms of diabetes are so minor that you really don't notice them until it's too late for treatment. You can always get a second opinion from another vet, but if her organs are damaged and shutting down and the test results show that this has been going on for some time, then there's really nothing you can do. It happened to my cousin's dog. He seemed perfectly fine one day and was gone just a few weeks later, despite the fact that they did set in with massive treatment.



If Phoebe is vomiting, lethargic and dying, it is better to let her go than to let her suffer. Remember all the good years you've had together. Phoebe has been a loved so much by you and this is a wonderful thing for a dog.
2009-08-25 01:15:00 UTC
First of all you have my sympathies. It hurts like mad when you are given a 'terminal' diagnosis.



However, before you do anything, please get a second opinion, especially if you don't totally trust your vet's advice. On the other hand, if you have been with this vet, and he knows your dog well (has been treating her for years), you may have to accept the fact that this is the end and any further stress which she will feel by being taken to another vet, examination etc. is just not worth putting her through,



Personally, and each person has to deal with this situation in their own way, I would not let her lie there and die (if that's what's happening). I'd look at my dog (and they will tell you, in their eyes) and make the decision to end the suffering, and help her to the Bridge. You just have to put your own emotions to one side, and do what's best for your b itch....... and then let it all out afterwards.



Be strong. And my thoughts are with you.



ps. Diabetes can be controlled, but once the pancreas has stopped working, it's pretty much end game.
2009-08-25 01:17:11 UTC
I definitely don't want to make the wrong decision here. Some people have taken their dogs in to the vet in bad times and learned their dog was inevitably dying, but upon getting a second opinion, they were actually able to save the dog. This only happens sometimes. I don't think a second opinion could hurt; it might make a big difference. Also, when my Aunt's greyhound got sick like that, the vet said he had to be put down, and my Aunt decided the dog seemed fine, so he was kept around and he slowly got better, but died several months later. In this way, it wasn't as sudden; it was something that could be prepared for.
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2009-08-25 02:47:17 UTC
Hi, so sorry to hear about your companion. I have 9 years vet nursing experience, and yes the diabetes is treatable as everyone has said, although in reality it is not so easy to control as other animals e.g. cats. By her organs shutting down I'm assuming kidneys and liver as well as pancreas? This is a lot for a dog to handle. I am also thinking she is an aged lady and maybe it is time for her to go. Her situation could be likened to that of a senior citizen whose body is debilitating rapidly.



The last vet I worked for was an amazing compassionate vet and would always offer to do what he could. In cases like this he would try both conventional and alternative treatments, but ultimately the animal would be given only a little longer to live, often in our hospital with i.v. drips, numerous blood testing and examinations. perhaps you would like to seek a 2nd opinion in order to be given the choice, although she does sound very compromised.



Another thing about my boss is that he was always aware of how grief affected our clients. Often the death of a beloved pet overwhelms the owner when it is accompanied and multiplied by previous grief the owner has experienced.



I am sorry I don't have a good news answer for you. I just wanted to share some experiences I have had. Phoebe has been blessed to have such a loving owner.
Emmy
2009-08-25 01:08:12 UTC
Take her to another vet for a second opinion. I've been reading up on alot of dog diseases lately and from what I've read they can put her on medication no matter how severe it is. Definitely get a second opinion.



But if this other vet says the same thing do the right thing and put her down. I know it is hard but it'll be better for both of you in the end. Good luck and very sorry. :(
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2015-08-24 05:00:41 UTC
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My Dog is very sick her name is Phoebe, I took her to the vet today and they said they can't do anything?

1 week ago she started urinating on the floor and drinking excessive amounts of water, we knew something was wrong it lasted for a few days and then all the sudden she was fine acting her normal self and went about her daily routine then yesterday it started again so we took her to the vet to see...
2009-08-25 01:09:15 UTC
Getting a second opinion isn't a bad idea...but it does sound like there is nothing to help with Phoebe. She may need to be euthanized. This is such a tough and painful decision but one made for the better of the animal if it's suffering. I'm sorry to hear about your dog and pray you'll get the answers you need.
2009-08-25 01:06:10 UTC
My friend had a diabetic cat and it had to have daily injections, however if the vet says her organs are shutting down then you can't do anything about that love.... Try taking her to another vet, but if worst comes to worst and she's suffering like you said she is, then the best and kindest thing you can do for her is to put her out of her suffering. I know it's hard, I had to do that with a kitten once, but it's the bravest and most loving thing you can do....
ainawgsd
2009-08-25 01:13:21 UTC
Please take your dog to another vet for a second opinion. Treatment is always an option, although having pancreatic issues on top of diabetes does make treatment much more complicated and if she is in ketone acidosis then her prognosis is very poor. However, even some dogs with ketone acidosis can recover with very carefully monitored treatment. If you and your family are not ready to give up on her and euthanize her just yet then you owe it to yourselves and your dog to find another vet who won't give up on her just yet either.
Dances With Woofs!
2009-08-25 01:09:16 UTC
Diabetes is treatable with insulin,and if she has pyometra ( uterine infection) she needs to be spayed asap and put on antibiotics. Hurry and take her to an emergency vet. If they say nothing can be done,then you have to end her suffering,and stay with her as she passes. I'm so sorry.
2009-08-25 01:05:01 UTC
1. Strange because i've alway though dibeties was treatable no matter how serious.



I try and find a vet that let you try a special diet for your dog, recommended for diabities



i try the change to a food recommended for diabtaties, and the insuling injections as well and try that for month. If no improvement, then maybe euthanisa.



2. Defiantly go to another different vet practise-Defiantly get a 2nd Opinion, if neccessary seek 3rd opinion.



3. Sounds like the vets just trying to make money off your pooch due to the age. Alot of vets can't be bother in actually caring for animals.



What Is Diabetes?

Diabetes mellitus is a disease of the endocrine gland system. Type 1 diabetes is caused by a deficiency of insulin -- the hormone that regulates how sugar is absorbed and utilized by the cells of the body. Insulin is produced by the pancreas gland which is nestled among the loops of your pet's small intestines. Highest occurrences are in dogs and cats between the ages of 5 to 7 years. Female dogs appear to be more susceptible but both sexes of cat are equally affected. Most affected dogs and cats were obese. It is the most common hormonal disorder in dogs and second only to hyperthyroidism in cats. Among dogs, poodles, dachshunds miniature schnauzers and west highland white terriers have a high incidence of diabetes.



Insulin is a hormone produced by the body. Insulin works by binding with receptors on cells throughout the body much like a key fits into a lock. Once the insulin has “unlocked the door”, glucose can cross over into the cell from the blood. Once inside the cell, glucose is either burned by the cell for energy or stored for future use as glycogen. Without insulin, sugar accumulates in the bloodstream causing a number of bad things to happen. When sugar is about twice its normal level in the blood, some of it spills over into the urine.



Sugar in the urine causes increased urine production and thirst. These pets also become hungrier because they can not utilize the sugar present in their blood. As the disease progresses, waste products called ketones accumulate and cause depression, vomiting and dehydration. If the disease is not treated, coma and death may occur. We can not cure diabetes yet but by administering insulin the disease can be controlled and damage can be kept to a minimum.



What Causes Diabetes?



Diabetes tends to occur in pets that have been too fat. So you have a great deal of control over the situation. But it takes enormous will power not to over-feed your pet when it begs for more food or treats than is healthy.



Diabetes occurs when pancreatic islet cells called beta cells are destroyed. Destruction of these cells occurs due to chronic pancreatitis or autoimmune disease in which the body attacks its own cells. Diabetes also occurrs in pets that have over active adrenal glands (hyperadrenocorticism) or have received large doses of corticosteroids or sex hormones.



Type 2 or Insulin-resistant diabetes is a phenomenon in which a normal or abnormally high amount of insulin is present in the blood stream but can no longer “unlock the door” to cells to allow the glucose in. This can be a problem in cats. Muscle cells, in particular react sluggishly to the desirable action of insulin and are starved for energy. In this condition, eating a hearty meal is followed a group of symptoms including elevated blood sugar, elevatted blood pressure and. high triglycerides. . Many veterinarians have begun to use newer products to treat this. In cats, the troglitazone (Rezulin) has shown promise.



What Signs Might I See In My Pet ?





The onset of diabetes is usually very gradual and easily missed by the owner until it is quite advanced. The first thing most owners notice is that the dogs or cats is drinking more and urinate very frequently. these pets eat well but may actually loose weight. Cataracts of the eyes and general debility are also common signs. They are common in dogs but rare in cats. When blood glucose exceeds 180 mg/deciliter in dogs and 240mg/decileter in cats, sugar spills over into the urine. Diabetic pets have an increased susceptibility to bacterial and fungal infections. Chronic infections of the bladder and skin, pneumonia and prostate infections commonly occur. Fatty, enlarged livers are another sign of the disease.. Luckily, the nerve, retinal and kidney damage so common in people less frequently in pets. This may be because a pet's life span is shorter. Cataracts in diabetic dogs, however, are common. Approximately 20% diabetic dogs develop signs of retinal hemorrhages or microaneurysms (small red dots in the retina), Retinal function in these dogs appears to remain unchanged. When these dogs loose vision it is because of cataracts which can be surgically removed through a process called phacoemulsification.



How Can Diabetes Diagnosed in My Pet?





Diabetes is a relatively easy disease to diagnose. Fasting blood sugar in dogs and cats should be between 75 and 120mg/decileter. When it is over 200mg/decileter and other blood parameters are normal, diabetes may be the cause. The transient stress of blood withdrawal at the animal hospital and another disease, Cushing's Disease, need to be ruled out. The best current way to rule out stress-induced high sugar in cats is to measure blood fructosamine levels. Fructosamines are stable complexes of carbohydrates and proteins. A single measurement of fructosamine indicates the average glucose concentration over the previous 1 - 2 weeks - not at the moment the blood is withdrawn. Because this gives us a broader view of your pet's sugar levels over time, this assay is helpful in making a firm diagnosis of diabetes well as in monitoring the effectiveness of insulin therapy. Fructosamine values are not influenced by sudden fluctuations in blood glucose such as stress in nervous pets from the visit to the Veterinary hospital or recent food intake. So fructosamine is much more reliable than a single glucose determination. Fructosamine results can be falsely lowered in cats with hyperthyroidism. Normal fructosamine levels are between 100 - 400 umol/l.



What Treatments Are Available For My Pet?



Type 1 diabetes in dogs and cats is very similar to juvenile diabetes in people. Going to a human diabetes website will give you ideas you can apply to your pet. Although diet helps to control the disease in pets, once the disease begins, owners will need to administer insulin to keep the disease under control. This is a time consuming process that requires a great deal of dedication on your part. Most pets will require two injections per day of either ultralente or NPH insulin. When the correct dose is established there should be only intermittent low concentrations of sugar in the urine. In general, insulins derived from animal pancreas work better in dogs and cats than the bio-engineered insulins available for humans. For a time, these older insulin forms because difficult to get. But a porcine insulin zinc suspension is now available again.



Because no two pets react exactly the same to a given amount of insulin, changes in the dose administered should be done under observation in an animal hospital setting. This is particularly true with small and toy breeds where small dose changes can have major effects on blood glucose levels. t is best to feed the pets at the time the insulin shot is given. Avoid using semi-moist diets because they are high in sugar. I have not had success in dogs and cats using oral glucose control drugs such as Glipizide. Once a successful insulin treatment has been established for your pet it needs to continue on it the rest of its life. The key to successful treatment is to keep to the treatment plan.



Female dogs that develop the disease do better when they are spayed. If you exercise your dog set the time and the length of your playtime the same every day.


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