NYC bans choke collars?

Question

Got an email earlier about this, wanted to know your opinion. Here it is in full
http://naia.typepad.com/naia/2011/02/dont-panic-westminster.html#tp

Now I know what this is intended to do, but the wording says different and can be open for interpretation. AKC is working with others to try and get NYC legislators to make the wording specific but we all know how long that will take.

Now it won't affect westminster, as it does not go into affect afterwards, but still it is quite scary.

What do you think, do you agree with others calling for WKC to get out of NYC?

Answer 1

It's actually a very poorly written bill in regards to tying out a dog. According the bill, which has been passed, it is now illegal to tie out a dog for more than 3 hours. The way I read the bill, particularly section B, reads to me also, like it can be interpreted as a ban on choke and prong collars.



Now, the politician that has been instrumental in getting this poorly written lousy bill passed is actually a well known pitbull hater and HSUS supporter. He has previously tried to get pitbulls banned from NYC, now that that didn't work, this is his next step.



For those who don't get the connection between this law and Westminster Kennel Club dog show in NYC, most of the show leads are either choke chains or martingales, which depending on how you read this new law, bans.



Now, I highly doubt the Animal Control is going to be arresting a bunch of people at WKC because of the use of choke chains..or hauling in people off the street because they have a choke chain or prong on their dog.....that's just simply ridiculous and I'm sure they have better fish to fry.



Yes, there is movement that's trying to get WKC moved to Seacucus NJ. WKC brings a lot of money to NYC, to it's local hotels, restaurants, parking lots etc. and it would be a big loss. However, as a NY'er, I have no problem traveling to Seacucus for a dog show, the entry fees are cheaper and the parking is plenty and free.



As a side note, I am not opposed to training tools. I have no problem with the correct use of a prong, choke or electic collar and I don't think it should be left up tot he governmetn to tell me what kind of collar my dogs should be wearing. There's so much wrong with NYC right now, especially with our crooked politicians, I think they should spend their time on something more important, like jobs, education, taxes and tolls.



BTW, licensing fees have also gone up, particularly for intact dogs. Fees went up from $11.50 to $35.50 for an intact animal. So as of this year, I wll no longer be licensing my dogs. When they start inforcing licensing with the pitbulls in the projects, is when they will get their money. It's always the responsible owners that are penelized. Just as a side note, licensing fees used to support s/n in NYC and our local shelters. Now, our shelters will not even notify you if they've picked up your dog, they won't check to see it's micrchipped...nothing. So basically, we get no services for our money. 80% of all dogs in NYC are s/n'd. So "BYB'S" and puppymills is not a factor.

Answer 2

I agree. The wording, if taken literally, would mean that you could not walk a dog on a chain or prong ever. I don't think that is its intention, but the wording certainly makes it sound that way.



I don't have a problem with banning stationary tethering, when we are talking about a dog chained to a tie-out 24/7. Like the author of the article said though, what about the man who goes into the quickie mart for 16 min. He would then be breaking the law. Is that dog left for 16 min then considered abused?



I think it is worded very oddly...and I do have to wonder about if the intent was there or not.

Answer 3

Maybe I'm too stupid to understand the article but.....It states dogs TIED for long periods of time on a prong/choke would be illegal. It didn't say people who show their dogs can't use them...



I guess I'm just not getting the connection with the WKC...Again, probably too stupid to get it.





* EDIT: Reading Khayos's response, I CLEARLY misunderstood the post...My bad!





"no person shall tether, leash, fasten, chain, tie, secure or restrain any animal for any amount of time with a device that:" What I took from that right off the bat is: No dog shall be restrained or tied for any amount of time" NOT with an owner present, but when left alone, whether it be tied, leashed, tethered, etc. To ME they used different words to describe the same thing. But that's what *I* got from it. I realize I am no help, haha. Sorry!

Answer 4

Ridiculous. Prongs and chokes are great training tools when used properly. I hope it doesn't pass. Wtf are shelters supposed to do? Buy new flat collars for all of those dogs? A choke is easier to use and place on a dog, especially a shelter pup that has no leash manners.



People need to stop having the gov't baby sit us! I'm f***ing tired of it. I don't need big brother telling me what training tools I can or cannot use on my dog.



Yknow what, I don't need any training tools to teach a dog loose leash walking or leash manners. That's not the point. It is NOT the gov't's job to baby sit us and put all these regulations on us. The more laws passed to "protect" us from ourselves the LESS FREEDOMS WE HAVE. If you don't want to use a prong or a choke or a head collar DON'T. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you too. The problem comes when some morally "right" asshole thinks they can FORCE their ideals on others.

Answer 5

There are trainging techniques that you can use. Learn here https://tr.im/tHhdO



HEEL:

1. A dog straining on the lead is the result of improper early heel-training. Reinstruction will be required to remedy the fauly.

2. Correct positioning ensures that the dog can anticipate the owner's actions such as a change in direction, sudden stop or new instruction.

3. A lagging dog can also indicates bad heel training. Frequent sharp tugs on the check chain should encourage the dog to keep up with its owner.



SIT:

1. On the command 'sit', press the dog's hindquarters firmly down with your left hand while keeping the dog's head supported in the air.

2. Keep the lead taut in the right hand, giving it a slight upwards pull as you press the hindquarters down to help the dog respond.

3. Crouching down beside, but not over, the dog may prove helpful in teaching more unruly dogs to perform the exercise.



SIT STAY:

1. Pul the dog in the sit position by holding your hand up in front of the dogs face and giving the command ' sit' in a firm voice.

2. Then move in the front of the dog jerking on the check chain if any attempt is made to move. If the dog does move, start agian.

3. Keeping your hand high up in front of the dog, and repeating the command 'stay', back off bit by bit, increasing the space between you.



SPEAK:

1. Tell the dog to speak, if he doesnt, the owner must bark to encourage the dog to bark

2. soon enough the dog will bark

Answer 6

I personally wouldn't use one of those collars, but plenty of people use them responsibly and should be allowed to continue to do so. The law makers should spend more time worrying about the people that abuse their dogs.

Answer 7

prong collars and choke chains are great training tools if used correctly I use a prong on my english mastiff

Answer 8

Haven't used a choke or pinch in years. Throw them away and become better dog trainers. I personally hate new laws and I think I would be against it just because it is a law. But I love the message.