Question:
What do you think? Will you vote? Can it be stopped?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
What do you think? Will you vote? Can it be stopped?
Thirteen answers:
KoAussie
2009-02-17 09:39:28 UTC
I don't live in those states, but have written to express my concern about these over reaching bits of legislation that not only hurt good dog breeders but also impact rescue groups as well.



This knee jerk reaction is not the solution to the pet over population problem and those who support such legislation with rabid enthusiasm are either unwilling or unable to understand the detrimental impact this will have on everyone.
DaBasset - BYBs kill dogs
2009-02-17 09:33:49 UTC
They way these laws are springing up like mushrooms is absolutely alarming!
TK
2009-02-17 09:46:29 UTC
This is an ongoing attack of our constitutional rights to own property by animal rights advocates (animal rights is very different from animal welfare). You do know that both PETA and HSUS, which bankroll these legislative endeavors, have a stated goal to remove pets from our homes (teaching a dog to sit is abusive!). This is how they are doing it: mandatory spay/neuter laws, dog and cat limit laws, removing the right to own animal property and replacing it with government permit. My Fanciers club fights this crap constantly. Read the AKC statements (www.akc.org/news) on these bills. The AR's thought they had us with the California bill, AB1634, last year but we dog people organized and fought them down. We've got to keep fighting or they will win, they have huge bankrolls (such as the millions collected after Hurricane Katrina) and they have good advertisers on their payroll.
Divapom
2009-02-17 10:13:14 UTC
The american sporting dog alliance is trying to organize all dog fanciers and people who believe in our rights in regards to dog ownership to fight these laws whose main purpose is to eventually abolish all animals as pets.

Their website is.

http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org/

If you want to become involved





These laws are being pushed by lobbiests from PETA & HSUS who believe that we do not have the right to have any kind of pets in our lives. They would rather see all dogs & cats extinct. Check them out and you will see that I am correct.



Also, Do you realize that if passed in OK it will be illegal to even drive thru Oklahoma with your dog in the car with you? It will be able to be taken away from you and Euthanized.

We need to get rid of the puppy mills, but we already have laws that are NOT being enforced. That is the problem, not attacking the reputable breeders who prove and test and sell with spay & neuter contracts. It is not the solution to outlaw training kennels, and rescues who are working toward solving the problems of untrained and homeless dogs. If these laws pass, it will only be the reputable people that will suffer. The outlaw puppy mills will be the only place we will be able to get our dogs. Ill breed, abused, and sickly dogs, because the good breeders will all either give up, or be in jail with their well bred, well trained, champion dogs taken away and euthanized.



ADD:

OK SB 1332

> Prohibits transporting dogs into or through Oklahoma, which would effectively destroy dog shows, field trials and other canine events in the state. If a hobby breeder were

to bring dogs to an Oklahoma event, the dogs could be confiscated and the owner would face heavy fines and penalties. (Section 2.13)

> (Section 3.B) (Section 3.L.1 and 2)



Don't think just because you don't breed, it will not affect you. If these laws pass, next time you want to get a dog for a pet, there will be no legitimate, responsible breeders to get a good one from. In fact, eventually, there will be no dogs in existance if PETA & HSUS have their way.
winterrules
2009-02-17 09:44:20 UTC
I thought the laws in my state were insane. You need more than just the sporting dog owners. Get the breed clubs, agility clubs, kennel owners and anyone else you can think of to that hearing. You even need the support of the greyhound tracks to tell your legislators that this is overkill to the 10th degree. I suspect that parts of this bill will be ruled unconstitutional because it suspends people's rights. Find a lawyer who loves his dogs to take your side.
*ready for football*
2009-02-17 10:10:43 UTC
Its very sad. I have rescues and I foster dogs. They are going after the innocent people that actually try to HELP dogs.
•Poppy•
2009-02-17 20:08:24 UTC
It's a nice *idea* if you think about how it's attempting to shut down puppy mills--but it's far too broad. They either need to get to the nitty gritty details of making a bill to seperate puppy mills from responsible breeders & rescues, or they need to butt out. This is like BSL laws--just making the problem worse.



I'll sign.
2009-02-17 19:57:16 UTC
I have read this totally and agree with it to a point ,but people just traveling with pets through these states should not have the dog taken away fined and the dog put down...what ever happened to our rights, and the animals rights...they are fading fast



As far as the byb, puppy mills and pet stores, yes shut them down now...no problem with that at all......



But in Oklahoma, this is the 5th time they have imposed and trying to pass this, and the first 4 times it failed, did not even come close to being passd.and they had an over abundance of people show up, pet owners, reputable breeders.......so I doni't think in Oklahoma it will again,,.....but wish they would shut down the byb, puppy mills and pet stores and let the good people alone...



I did go in and vote for on the non residence web site..
Barbara C
2009-02-21 11:34:26 UTC
It has passed in Indiana all, we need to all stand together and appeal this,



Indiana



House Bill 1468 was snuck into the House Courts and Criminal Code Committee last week as an unannounced amendment to an animal cruelty bill relating to convicted felons. This kind of political dirty trick is used to eliminate opposition to controversial measures, by denying opponents the opportunity to read the legislation, contact elected officials and testify at the hearing.



Dog owners thus were robbed of the opportunity to participate in the process, and not given a chance to try to convince the legislators to vote against this amendment.



The amended legislation was approved by the committee by an 11-1 vote, and sent to the full House of Representatives with a recommendation for passage.



It is IMPERATIVE for every Indiana dog owners to immediately contact their legislators and explain your reasons for asking him or her to vote against HB 1468. Without a very strong response from dog owners, we expect this measure to be approved and sent to the Senate, which will be our last chance to stop it.



Rep. Ralph Foley (R-47) of Martinsville, IN, was the only committee member to vote against this legislation. Please take the time to contact Rep. Foley and express your gratitude for his support of the rights of dog owners, and his opposition to the animal rights agenda. Also, please ask him for his continued support. Here is a link to his email contact form: http://www.in.gov/cgi-bin/legislative/contact/contact-2-5.pl?data=h047 .



Here is a summary of the impact HB 1468 will have on dog owners:



· It will destroy the rescue network in Indiana. While rescue groups are exempt, a person or organization that breeds dogs cannot qualify for this exemption. People who raise dogs began the rescue movement decades ago, and remain at its heart today. Almost all rescue groups for specific breeds rely on people who raise that breed of dogs to foster homeless animals. In addition, many of the highest quality breeders of dogs for show and performance take a very active leadership role in the rescue community.



· Anyone who sells five or more dogs to the public in a year will be classified as a pet dealer. Thus, in many cases, even having a single litter of puppies will require extensive record-keeping of all dogs sold and all veterinary records, and require the dog owner to make that information available to law enforcement officials and potential pet buyers. This provision also will allow animal rights activists to go on legal fishing expeditions by posing as puppy buyers.



· The definition of commercial dog breeder will entrap many serious hobbyists who are working hard to improve the breed of dogs they own. Anyone who produces 10 or more litters of puppies will fall under this category. It also will be illegal for anyone to possess more than 30 dogs that have not been spayed or neutered. Many serious breeders keep all of their retired dogs for the rest of their lives, and also are working with and evaluating several young dogs. Having 30 dogs does not indicate that a kennel is commercial. These breeders would be required to microchip all dogs and puppies, and to obtain veterinary certification before breeding a dog. The legislation also would create a strict puppy lemon law.



· Outdoor housing will be banned for these kennels, which is hazardous for dogs that are used for hunting, herding and other activities. The bill requires temperatures between 65 and 78 degrees at all times. Most human homes in Indiana could not meet that requirement! Working dogs do their jobs in all kinds of weather, and it is dangerous for them if they are not acclimated to the conditions they will face. It is cruel, absurd and reckless to pass a law that forces people to keep sled dogs, hunting dogs or herding dogs in a heated environment, when those dogs will face winter weather extremes.



· And the legislation specifically allows municipalities to pass laws that are more strict or detailed than the state law.



Here is a link to the text of HB 1468: http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2009/HB/HB1468.1.html . This is the amended version that passed the committee. Earlier versions may not contain the amendment.



The American Sporting Dog Alliance is urging every Indiana dog owner to immediately contact his or her representative, and as many other representatives as you can. This is urgent, because this legislation can be brought up for a vote in the House at any time.



Because time is of the essence, please email, phone or fax the representatives now to express your opposition and to ask them to oppose HB 1468. Then, please follow-up with a letter through the mail or by fax.



Here are the representatives email contact information: http://www.in.gov/cgi-bin/legislative/contact/contact.pl .



This link will lead to each representatives home page, which contains full contact information: http://www.in.gov/cgi-bin/legislative/li....
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2016-05-26 11:38:15 UTC
I did not one year and they put me in jail even though on the front page of the main state newspaper it had a list of all the politicians who were crooks some were later sent to jail not all because the judge said"There is enough blood on the floor"in other words politicians who were crooks did not go to jail but I did because I would not vote why because the law says you must vote and I broke the law that's life when I told the judge he said "you are here because you broke the law what happens to others has nothing to do with me and your case
Nikko,Loves GSD,Pekes
2009-02-17 09:36:45 UTC
I for one an 100% behind this Bill.It's about time that something was done to stop animal cruelty.If you knew about puppy mills and the horror that was being done than the good breeders should of done something to get them shut down.You breeders stood by and watched the abuse happen so it came down to this..I say God Bless the Congressman that started this bill so no more animals have to suffer
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2009-02-17 09:47:20 UTC
I'm reading the text of the actual bill... other than the rescue organization issue and the fact that it does nothing about small-time BYB's, I think it's great. I have no problem with making it a pain in the butt for people to breed animals OR own unaltered animals.



You think that people who raise chickens and cows and stuff aren't subjected to these same things? They are - if they sell chickens and cows. This started with, y'know... the Pure Food and Drug Act back in the Teddy Roosevelt administration? Do you not think that people who sell chickens and cows should be subject to inspection by USDA officials? Why exactly should it be different with dogs?



Plus the bill does some things that REALLY need to be done, like:



"Provides that pet shop operators must publicly disclose certain information regarding dogs for sale. Amends the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act to provide that a licensee who intentionally makes false or misleading statements in connection with the disclosures required by the Dog Breeder License Act and the Animal Welfare Act are violations of the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act."



Hellooooo, petstores totally need to disclose the source of their puppies, and puppy mills and BYB's that lie about their puppies need to be criminally prosecuted.



Obviously, this bill's not perfect, because its scope is too wide. But on the whole, it needs to be done.
2009-02-17 09:45:01 UTC
Good!


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